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You're addressing at least 2 different folks. I didn't write about martyrdom.

Maybe they wanted more followers so the holiday was co-opted. Clearly they had some reason to lie, idk. [/quote]

Can I point out the obvious? You're starting with your own premise:  "They were deceitful, I know they were deceitful, damn them!"  But unfortunately you can't come up with a credible MO for this alleged deceitful behavior. So you shrug it off with "clearly they had some reason, idk."

I'd love to watch any jury in the country dispose of your "there must be some reason why they're guilty" argument.

Rhetoric teachers would weep.[/quote]

"it's beyond me so God must have done it" would really make Rhetoric teachers weep[/quote]

But what you just typed is a gross mis-characterization of belief. The problem is that you barely understand the basics of belief.

Some of history's most accomplished rhetoricians are/have been Christians, Jews, and Muslims. Over the centuries they've covered complex theological issues that you couldn't begin to grasp. That's why PP told you to read Aquinas and others.[/quote]

What about modern day thinkers -- you know, people with modern day knowledge, based on scientific findings from the last 100 years?  Those ancient thinkers were amazing given their limited knowledge of the universe -- but it was limited -- and it was also deadly to be outwardly atheist.

These days not too many great thinkers are also religious. [/quote]

Let's review.
1. Once again some argument of yours gets blown out of the water. (This time, it's your claim that religion can be boiled down to "God did it.") 
2. And once again, you counter with a complete about-face and change of subject. ("Instead, let's talk about modern thinkers!")
3. With a sprinkling of your own conjectures ("These days not too many great thinkers are religious") that you'll leave for somebody else to prove or disprove.

You really are formulaic. And your formula is as slippery as a fish.[/quote]

FYI - "You" is more than one person.[/quote]

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