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Here you go:http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/slavery_1.shtml
[b]Islamic law allows slaves to get their freedom under certain circumstances. It divides slaves with the right to freedom into various classes:
[/b]
The mukatab: a slave who has the contractual right to buy their freedom over time
The mudabbar: a slave who will be freed when their owner dies (this might not happen if the owner's estate was too small)
[b]The umm walid, a female slave who had borne her owner a child[/b]

Here's what is TRUE Islam - what is in the Quran. The Hadith may be valuable in providing context or details, but only on issues that were already mentioned in the Quran. The hadith can not be relied on exclusively. There are many people, particularly from the Arab region that do not practice true Islam. For example, the Sharia in some countries states the woman must return her dowry upon divorce. This directly conflicts with the Quran. If a woman is guilty of fornication, they may stone her. However, the Quran does not authorize death for such a crime. There are many other examples like these. So you can see that the Quran is not being followed properly in some states. So why should their behavior represent the hundreds of millions of Muslims who practice Islam the way it was intended to be practiced? It reflects poorly on those of us who do practice what the Quran says and it reflects poorly on Islam. This is what I am objecting to.[/quote]

Do you understand that the very link from bbc you posted says umm walads are freed after their master's death?  You may want to check things you reference a bit more closely. They make you look awkward.

[b]I do believe you have comprehension challenges. No matter. I have time to explain to you again. Read again. There were three categories listed of how freedom may be obtained and here they are AGAIN (pay clsoe attention to the third category):
The mukatab: a slave who has the contractual right to buy their freedom over time
The mudabbar: a slave who will be freed when their owner dies (this might not happen if the owner's estate was too small)
The umm walid: a female slave who had borne her owner a child[/b]

Post a reference from the Quran specifically stating that umm walads are freed when they get pregnant.  Not a verse enjoining kindness to slaves. The verse commanding that a pregnant concubine is freed.[/quote]

[b]Already did that. Quranic verses were provided that showed compassion and kindness was ordered by God. The above was quoted from Sharia. Ahh...Don't tell me...you changed your mind and don't want any authority from the Sharia now.[/b][/quote]
Compassion and kindness has many forms. You think that it should take the form of freeing the concubine upon news of pregnancy. There are no sources confirming that. If that's your theory, that's fine, but no need to sell it as scholarly consensus.

The link you posted says "MAY be obtained" - get it? "May".  It doesn't say pregnancy means freedom.  All three categories of slaves you listed fall under "has the right to freedom at some point in future."

I posted multiple sources confirming umm walid's freedom came after her master's death - from Sharia AND from the bbc source you posted, in fact on that same very page.  How do you explain the fact that the bbc source you posted confirms my position (freedom upon master's death), not yours (freedom upon pregnancy)?[/quote]

[b]I will try to help you. ONCE AGAIN here's the entire section from the link:
Slave rights to freedom

"Islamic law allows slaves to get their freedom under certain circumstances. It divides slaves with the right to freedom into various classes:

The mukatab: a slave who has the contractual right to buy their freedom over time
The mudabbar: a slave who will be freed when their owner dies (this might not happen if the owner's estate was too small)
The umm walid: a female slave who had borne her owner a child"

The above are the THREE conditions for freedom. The last one is when the slave becomes pregnant.

For the rest of you DCUMers, concubinage is rarely practiced anywhere now, yet these rabid anti Islam posters want to keep pounding on old, archaic rules that are rarely, if ever applied. Simply evidence of their islamophobia.[/b][/quote]

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