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Since you couldn't find your own proof, I'll help you out. Is this what you meant?

"...5 and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his [b]wife[/b], and the [b]two[/b] will become one flesh' ? 6 So they are no longer [b]two[/b], but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate." 7 "Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his [b]wife[/b] a certificate of divorce and send her away?" 8 Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his [b]wife[/b], except for marital unfaithfulness, and [b]marries another woman commits adcultery[/b]." Matthew 19:5-9

Why can't Matthew 19:5-9 be read to be about the importance of heterosexual unification and the avoidance of divorce? What has this got to do with concubines? 
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I don't know how many times this has to be pointed out to you, Muslima, or how to make you understand.

[b]Look at the the last 5 words, where Jesus says polygamy = adultery. Jesus is saying that if you marry a second woman, then because divorce is now impossible, you now have two wives. And having two wives is the same as committing adultery.[/b]

The word [b]"wife"[/b] is different from the word 'wives." One is singular, the other is plural. The word [b]"two"[/b] is different from the words "three" and "four." Verse 8 refers to "wives" and many would read this as a reference to the fact that there was more than one married man in Moses' day and in Jesus' audience, although I'm sure you read it as polygamy; but however you read it, the whole point is that Jesus is drawing a sharp distinction between the practice of Moses' time and his own day.

Christianity has been monogamous since Day One, because early Christians understood that polygamy=adultery, and they also understood the difference between "wife" and "wives" and between "two" and "three or more," even if you can't.

You're right, this has nothing to do with concubines. You need to ask the PP who first posted it, who said she's not Christian, why she posted it here.[/quote]

I'm not Muslima!! The type of unification spoken of is MARRIAGE, and the warning or restriction issued is divorcing for frivolous reasons. Nowhere does it expressly prohibit or even indirectly state concubine relationships are prohibited. In fact, in reading this, a man may have a concubine so long as he doesn't divorce his wife for frivolous reasons.[/quote]

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