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Yes, of course one must take history into account. But not ancient history. What the Romans and Jews did 2,000 years ago is ancient history. What King Solomon did in Jerusalem 3,000 years ago is ancient history. Real actual living people take priority. [/quote]

Of course real actual living people take priority, but motivation can't be viewed in a vacuum.  Based on your premise, does what the european settlers did to the native americans matter anymore since it was multiple hundreds of years ago? Where do you draw the line?  The point is that all context matters.  In any event, at least in the case of the Jews, it's not like what happened 2000 years ago is the only injustice.

Anyway, answer my last question.  What if the Israelis did what everyone seems to want them to do - and frankly I as a Jew living in the diaspora desperately want them to do - and give up all of the west bank and east jerusalem.  Do you think that would pacify the world?  To me, that's the 64 million dollar question. I wish I knew the answer.[/quote]

Doesn't everybody wish they knew the answer? I don't know either.

But yes, I think that what the European settlers did to the Native Americans still matters, given that

1. much of it was done in the name of the US, and
2. it's actually still being done in the name of the US.

When people start making arguments like "I have a right to have a country here because my ancestors used to live here 2,000 years ago, but you don't have a right to a country here because your grandparents (who were living here when my grandparents arrived) didn't think of themselves as having the national identity you think of yourself as having" -- well, no.[/quote]

But that's not the argument I was making - you inferred that.  My point is that now that the country exists, how the world views it need to take history in to account.

And let me ask my question another way, would it pacify you?[/quote]

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