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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why is there perfect physics down to the stone and then subatomic particles? Why are their physical universes that follow patterns? Why are there tiny cells with amazing functions? Believing all this happened at random takes faith.  Believing all this is knitted together by God takes faith.  At least the later has the Bible as evidence and the places and events of the Bible are traced. [/quote]

It does not take any faith whatsoever.

All of the physics things are explained by the big bang.  If evidence is found of a better explanation, we'll switch to that one.

All of those biological things are explained by evolution, with the exception of abiogenesis, and there is mountains of evidence explaining how that might have happened.

Asking how it "happened" implies there was a before it happened.  There is no evidence of that, and no reason to think there was.  It's quite likely time began with the big bang so there was nothing for it to come from.

None of this is simple, but it is all easy to believe once you understand.

You know what is hard to believe?  A magic man in the sky who existed forever outside of time but then decided to create time and everything in it on a nearly infinite scale but place his personal fishtank on the third stone from a sun in the corner of one of billions of galaxies.  And he stays hidden except for a short while to a bunch of illiterate shepherds 2 millennia before mass media.  And he allowed thousands of similar stories of gods to exist but those are all false and just his is true.

That is the definition of preposterous.[/quote]

DP: What religion believes in a "magic man in the sky"?

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Yours.

Yes, it is intended as a pejorative.

[quote]It isn't useful to be lazy and rude with straw man arguments (unless you are actually ignorant of theology and think the greatest theologians of our time really believe the space shuttle might pass by a man with a white beard sitting on a cloud, in which case maybe learn what something is before arguing about what it isn't.)[/quote]

How, specifically, does your god differ from a magic man in the sky?  If your explanation is apt I promise I will never use that phrase again.

[quote]All of these discussions can be fast forwarded to the point where science, math, philosphy and theology stop having answers and start have theories. 
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No, that is incorrect.  When science stops having answers is where "we don't have the answer yet" begins.  Not some stuff bronze age shepherds told each other.  Not some stuff a 19th century con-man creates.  Not some stuff a sci-fi writer makes up.  None of that is necessary, warranted, or helpful.  In fact it is all harmful.

[quote]The big bang theory is generally agreed to be that point, a theory first articulated by a Jesuit priest, so it is not anti-theological. 
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Dude, YOUR side is the one comparing the two.   YOUR side is the one saying "There must have been something before the big bang so god".  Science says nothing about any of it, and doesn't care to.

[quote]The discussions that start there are fascinating and worthy; none will claim to know the answers. 
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AYFKM?:  Every preacher on the planet claims to know the answers.

[quote]Some will theorize that everthing came from nothing, others will theorize that based on everything we know, that is impossible, so there had to be something. Some will call that something God, others will reject a God theory and call it "Something-but-not-God." 
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Yeah say whatever you want, "theorize" whatever you want, but without evidence, it has zero value.

[quote]Another worthy question is even though we can't know, how should we live? And how should what we do know inform our living?[/quote]

And for this you need a book that endorses slavery, genocide, mass murder, incest, and more?[/quote]

When people talk about Christianity’s moral center, they usually point to Jesus Christ—teachings like loving your neighbor, caring for the poor, forgiveness, and nonviolence. Those are what most Christians see as the highest moral standard in the text.

[u]The Bible doesn’t endorse everything it records. It is a mix of history, human failure, and a moral direction that’s clearer in Jesus’ teachings.[/u][/quote]

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