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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why not regular hormone free milk and cheeses?

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Because she is concerned about animal cruelty and not about hormones.[/quote]

I’m going to call out OP for pushing this on her 11 YO daughter. Shane on you OP. [/quote]

Where do you see that I am pushing it.  I'm explaining what she told me. [/quote]

I'm sorry, but are you familiar with the word "parent," and all that it implies?[/quote]

Yes, I didn't realize you didn't know what it meant.

Parent means to teach your children so they can grow up to be independent healthy adults who know their values and act in accordance with them.

So, in this case, some of the things that I did which would be parenting:

I listened to my daughter when she decided that eating eggs and dairy products wasn't in keeping with her own values.

I encouraged her to learn more about the dairy and egg industries to find a source she was comfortable with, but unfortunately she could not do so.

I helped her research vegan nutrition, to learn about her body's needs, and to make a plan to meet them.

I taught her to plan and cook healthy vegan meals.

I continued to provide the ingredients for healthy vegan meals.

All of those things are examples of parenting.

Another word that you don't seem to know what it means is "push".  That means to encourage or force someone to do something.  It doesn't mean to allow them them to do something they've decided to do on their own.

For example, I could say.  "I didn't [b]push[/b] my child to become vegan, but I did [b]push[/b] them to learn to cook vegan meals, to take B12 supplements, and to incorporate more vitamin C into their meals to increase the absorption of non-heme iron from plant sources."

Please let me know if you would like any further vocabulary lessons.  I am sorry I didn't realize you needed them earlier. [/quote]

What are you going to do when your 11 year old decides that doing her homework is not in keeping with her own values?[/quote]

You really think being vegan is somehow similar to refusing to do homework?  That's just bonkers.[/quote]

It is worse because it harms the body, and is usually cult like and driven by social media falsehoods
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Sounds like you have a crazy axe to grind.  My vegan cousin literally just won a 50 mile ultamarathon last month.  Pretty sure he's in better physical shape than pretty much anyone.[/quote]

"He" is not an 11 YO prepubescent girl.[/quote]

Yeah because 11 year old girls need more calories, iron, and protein than a grown male ultramarathoner.  Sure, Jan.[/quote]

They need a different set of nutrients that are almost impossible to get on a practical basis, daily, in a vegan diet. It’s a breeding ground for anorexia at this age. [/quote]

What nutrients do 11 year old girls require that adult men don’t?[/quote]

That was me (OP).  I didn’t mean to sock puppet.

My original question was about what specific nutrients are hard to get and should be watched.  One or more posters  is saying it’s not just hard, it’s “impossible” and now that the nutrients that make it impossible are ones that adults don’t need.  But they don’t name these mystery nutrients.  I hope they come back and clarify.[/quote]

They won’t, because it’s ridiculous. They might go on about fats, which an avocado or olive oil will address, or a tbsp of ground flax seed. 
You are patient to put up with this. [/quote]

You can't be serious.

Even adult men and women require different nutrients in different configurations, and have very different caloric needs.

An adult male and a female child entering puberty do not have the same nutritional needs.

My goodness.[/quote]

Adult men and women don't need different nutrients.  They require different amounts of certain nutrients, but they need the same nutrients.  The same is true of children vs. adults.  The same foods are healthy for children and adults, although the balance of how many servings of each may be different.  [/quote]

That is categorically false.

Men need more protein.

Women need more calcium, folate and iron.

Men and women have different nutritional needs.  Female kids going through body changes and puberty have different dieatary needs than middle aged men.   This is common settled science and  not even a little bit controversial.[/quote]

You said that they need different nutrients.  Not that they need different ratios of nutrients.

Men and women both need protein.  Men need more.

Men and women both need calcium.  For most of the life span, they need the same amount, but after menopause women need more.

Men and women both need folate.  Women need slightly more.  When a woman is trying to get pregnant, pregnant, or lactating she needs significantly more.

Men and women both need iron.  Menstruating women need significantly more.

There are no nutrients that only one gender needs.  Men and women need the SAME nutrients.  What your wrote which was that they need DIFFERENT nutrients is false.

Also, I'll note on that list, that at this point, the only nutrient that she currently might need more of than the ultramarathon running man, is folate.  Since the richest sources of folate are vegetable sources, becoming vegan probably increased her folate levels.

Soon, she will also need more iron.  But I (the OP) have brought up iron as my top concern multiple times, so clearly I am already aware of that.  [/quote]

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