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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This whole fiasco solidly proves we need universal healthcare.[/quote]

It's not that easy in the US to set up, it's just not.  It's a HUGE country with a lot of unhealthy people to start with.  I could give you 50 reasons why it's near impossible.  I'm not suggesting HC reform isn't needed or that I'm opposed to universal healthcare - it's just that the reality of putting in one in the US today is a pipe dream.  It would never work.

Our entire lifestyle and beliefs profoundly differ from countries with successful existing universal HC systems.  I'm not sure what would work.[/quote]

Thta's true and one reason why universal health care is not a great starting place.

However, implementing a single payer system would be much easier and much less disruptive.  And would largley reduce costs while freeing up doctors to doctor instead of arguing with insurance companies about whether something is medically necessary.[/quote]

How would single payer reduce costs? The provider accepts whatever govt dictates? For all providers providing the same services?

Does the govt now argue whether something is medically necessary or not?[/quote]

Right off the top is the money that insurance companies use for huge salaries, bonuses, private planes, shareholder retreats, profit, etc.  Add on to that there is no need for broad marketing and advertising.  Basic savings from having economies of scale.

As for care, Medicare already does that.  And do you really want someone whose bonus is related to your claims being denied and approval for medical treatment rejected deciding whether or not you need something?  Remember, your loss is their gain.[/quote]

All of this. UHC isn't some golden ticket to fix everything but it's damn better than what we have now. I have relatives in 2 countries with it and they have no real complaints.

Why it's a profit enterprise in the US and why we choose to accept the status quo, I'll never know. My child is on a team with international players who have universal college and HC and they look at our systems like we are a bunch of bozos, which by some of the comments, we are.[/quote]

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