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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Berkeley definitely has a wow factor but HYP have a bit more wow factor.[/quote]
“Wow” is not what comes to mind when I hear of a top student attending Berkeley oos.

“How” is the word that comes to mind. “How” could this process have been approached differently to get a better outcome?
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lol, are you for real? Poor Berkeley students attending some of best programs in the country when they could have gone straight to UVA.

Mind boggling how complete ignoramuses imagine themselves seers of wisdom! [/quote]

You are cherry picking rankings to make Berkeley look better than it is.

No question the undergrad experience at UVA is better than Berkeley.

State flagships tend to have an inflated reputation in their home state.  Are you living in California?  The rest of the country barely thinks about Berkeley at all.  You are out of touch with reality.[/quote]

DP but the PP is right, this view is ignorant. Berkeley has had an excellent reputation for decades.[/quote]

Sure, but peer schools are UCLA, Michigan, and UVA.  Not even close to the Ivy League.[/quote]

Depends on the subject. Definitely close to (better than?) the lower Ivies. But in any event, the PP’s comment was that upon hearing a kid goes to Berkeley OOS, their response is “how? As in, how could this process have turned out better?” Which is just massively ignorant. [/quote]

Most of us would not pay out of state tuition for what Berkeley offers, given the alternatives.

Also lower ivies offer a much better overall package.  Just read through this thread again.[/quote]

Why would I rely on this thread when I’ve worked in academia? Many of the people on this forum are ignorant as hell. Half of the comments here are “durr Cal kids are stupid poors cuz of test blind and public tuition” and “it’s cheaper therefore inferior because I don’t know how else to evaluate something other than by its price tag.” No thanks.[/quote]

I agree, you have to look past the nonsense to see the valid posts.  For undergraduate, [b]top ranked academic departments and research opportunities[/b] only go so far.  The overall package matters.  Housing, quality of life, size of lectures and seminars, ability to enroll in classes, gen Ed classes outside major.[/quote]

Some people prioritize top ranked academic departments and research opportunities, along with living in a big city, and doing internships at companies that are industry leaders, with the possibility to settle in that area.

That’s how they end up at Berkeley even if oos.[/quote]

It’s all about fit between life/carrer goals, and college. If you’re interested in engineering it doesn’t matter how the school does in humanities, law and medicine. That’s why the general rankings are useless and major specific matter more.

For the engineering example, I wouldn’t take Yale over Berkeley, maybe not even Harvard or Princeton. Ivies are just not very good in this area. I’d take MIT, Stanford, Caltech over Berkeley in a heartbeat.

The choice is very different if you’re interested in law, then Yale and Harvard are at the top. It’s going to be different for people targeting medical school, business etc.

Just going by prestige popular ranking because your aunt heard of is completely misguided.[/quote]

You realize how common it is for college students to change their majors?  Do people really want to spend their whole career as an engineer or do they want to manage engineers?  There are reasons why the top schools are ahead in general rankings.[/quote]

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