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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I thought gen z boys liked him, is that changing? [/quote]

Gen Z boys were reacting to the DEI and identity politics that Democrats were espousing for the last 10 years. Think of it from their perspective. [b]If you were a white, Asian, or Latino 18 year old straight male, it became clear you were not welcome in the Democratic Party because of things you have no control over - your race, sexuality, your parents income, your religion, and so on. Progressives identified these boys as the enemy.[/b] And GenZ boys responded accordingly and tuned out Democrats and tuned in Joe Rogan.

But that didn't mean for a moment that they liked Trump and the GOP. It's just that Democrats identified them as an enemy. They were always told to be "allies" while the focus was elsewhere. These boys have the same sensibilities as most young people when it comes to health care, the environment, a social safety net, education, and so on. It's just that Democrats went out of their way to antagonize young men. They are as appalled by Trump as everyone, but they feel unwelcome among progressives and the Democratic Party. [/quote]

The bolded could only be written by someone deep in a right wing fever dream bubble and is so full of BS as to be incomprehensible.[/quote]

You clearly don't know any 16-24 year white, asian, or latino boys. And black boys are going the same way. Very few of these guys like Trump or Republicans, but they feel completely ostracized and unwelcome in the Democratic Party. That's a party for old rich white and black women who have zero connection with the real world.[/quote]

ok genius... how do you make the party more oriented towards them? I mean, 100 percent of the policies are for the benefit of young people, people who make less than $300k a year and anyone who is not a nazi...[/quote]

You can start fixing the problem but not denying that there is a problem. The Democratic platform seems to be "we're perfect and if you don't agree, you're a nazi". Do better.

--signed a lifelong Democrat who would never vote for Trump [/quote]
Okay.  I'll play along, and admit we have a problem.  So what could the Democratic party do to make itself more attractive to GenZ males?   Biden proposed college debt relief, and advocated for trade school training.  He funded infrastructure projects that would put Americans to work.  But you're suggesting that isn't enough.  What specifically would you like to see from the next Democratic candidate that would say "we made a mistake and here's how we're going to make you welcome in the party?"[/quote]

DP. Your response demonstrates how out of touch Democrats are with Gen Z men, which was reflected in the shocking movement of Gen Z male voters to Trump. Breaking it down:

College debt relief is only persuasive to people who want to go to college and view it as valuable, which is an increasingly small percentage of the Gen Z male population. Also, it’s perceived as a handout to people who are already rich, again not something that will appeal to young Gen Z men.

Infrastructure projects are mostly useless for Gen Z men. Those jobs are unionized and largely unavailable to the same group. If they even care about the infrastructure bill, they view it as a giveaway to boomers and Gen X.

What should Democrats do to attract Gen Z men back? Focus on jobs creation for jobs they can actually get, not union gifts. For instance, build up the military, rethink a GI bill type of approach. Celebrate blue collar work, don’t disparage it. (I remain convinced that Trump’s genuine pleasure in his McDonald’s campaign was a turning point for a lot of Gen Z men, who saw a man who respected jobs they can get and perform, while the Democrats mocked the jobs.) Drop the incessant identitarianism, it’s incredibly off-putting. Drop the insanity that is defending trans women in women’s sports, it’s a hugely alienating issue for a lot of Gen Z men. Drop blind allegiance to Netanyahu.

Do that, and you might get Gen Z men back. [/quote]

So be anti-college and promote them working at McDonald’s for the rest of their lives? How does that sound like a great life? It sounds like the effing gilded age.

You don’t want solid, skilled union jobs with a focus on lowering child care and housing and improving education? You know, the DEMOCRATIC platform?!?! [/quote]

Sigh. You want to just keep losing, don’t you? Let’s get a few things straight.

No Gen Zers actually believe the Democrats care about education any more after Covid, so you can drop that. Trying to convince Gen Z that Democrats care about education will only get hollow laughs.

Union jobs are hoarded by Gen X and Boomers, so are unavailable and mostly useless to Gen Z.

Trump wasn’t being aspirational with the McDonalds gig. He was meeting Gen Z where they are now. And that’s what they see in their future. Democrats mock and disparage those jobs (Harris with her inability to prove any time spent at McDonald’s was so awful, it was so clearly an insult by her). Trump in contrast celebrated the labor. He didn’t change who he was — he was out there with his usual suit and tie — but he telegraphed respect, satisfaction, and pride.

Of course that shouldn’t be the ideal future. But it is what Gen Z has now, and Trump acknowledged that. [/quote]
So, GenZ is consigned to a miserable scrap heap of poverty, and Democrats will win them back by saying "Yep, that's all you get".  I have a problem with this game plan.  [/quote]

Well, the Democrats haven’t offered anything that would actually help Gen Z men. Trump acknowledges their pain, poverty, and struggle. Democrats essentially tell them to sit down and shut up.

What would really help Gen Z men is an investment in the military and associated education/training/fitness but Democrats will never support that. [/quote]
Um Dems fully support funding training programs.   As a matter of fact, Obama tried that with IT training programs in coal country, but young men still wanted to train on being a coal miner.

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/awaiting-trumps-coal-comeback-miners-reject-retraining-idUSKBN1D14FT/[/quote]

OMG. Funneling government money to grifting NGOs that don’t actually train anyone with any useful skills is not actually doing anything. Do you even hear yourself? Have you ever seen the absurdity that these programs are? My God. [/quote]

DP. You have an issue with grifting, you say?[/quote]

You seem to think I am a Trump supporter. I  not at all. I think the man is corrupt, harmful, and a loser of a president. What I want, however, is for the Democrats to stop being useless and feckless. They seem uninterested in that, but I can always hope.

[b]Losing Gen Z POC men[/b] to freaking Trump should have been the biggest of wake-up calls, but it has not been. [/quote]

What's the concern with this?

Seems like all the GenZ men will love the GOP philosophy of pulling yourself up by your bootstrap

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My concern is that the Democrats cannot win elections with voter bases consisting solely of aging white boomers, Black women, and Gen Z progressive women.

A party that abandons young men as a voting block has no future. [/quote]

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