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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Has this been posted? NYT does a really good of laying things out. These are clearly aid workers

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/04/world/middleeast/gaza-israel-aid-workers-deaths-video.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c&pvid=3CAADF4E-3EC0-42EB-9F27-3F698D5FAA78[/quote]

Their loss is the direct result of Hamas intransigence, prolonging the conflict needlessly.

Release the hostages.  Surrender.  [/quote]

And then what?  That’s the question that Israel and the World won’t answer.  I’m not supporting Hamas, but the Palestinian people live in poverty.  They live under Israeli control and have for 50 years. They have no right of return, no right to their own borders or airspace.

Yes the Israeli hostages should be returned.  And Yes everyone should formally recognize the independent state of Palenstine.[/quote]

An independent state is a nonstarter while Hamas holds hostages, don't you think?  The Palestinians hardly do themselves any favors:  divert billions over decades in foreign aid to build military infrastructure, tolerate a corrupt government, happily accept Iranian support and let Iran be their puppet master to develop a military capability to use to attack Israel, and fail to build any kind of civil society in 77 years while Israel has blossomed from nothing to a first world country with a modern economy and pluralistic government.  Israel made peace with Egypt and Jordan.  The Gazans, in contrast, attacked on Oct 7.

Gaza is one giant self-inflicted festering wound which will not heal until the Palestinians commit to peace instead of devoting themselves to nurturing grievances forever, which they try to satisfy through terror over and over again, inevitably coming out much worse than before.  
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