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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm coming to the realization that there really isn't anything we can do that will change anything.[/quote]
Elections in 2026 and 2028 if they are still fairly held.  
And otherwise it has to be civil war.[/quote]

What if fair elections in 2026, 2028, and 2032 are fairly held and republicans win?  At what point is it okay for a moral minority to go to war to protect migrant rights and trans rights and civil servant paycheck rights?![/quote]

DP, but my main issue is how things are being done unlawfully.

If the country decides to dismantle federal agencies then it should be done through congressional action. If we’re going to hunt out waste, fraud, and abuse it shouldn’t be done by a billionaire with significant conflicts of interest. And so on.

I don’t think I will ever just accept the trashing of our government to benefit the rich. It’s not just about immigrants and trans rights.[/quote]

The flyover state taxpayer perspective is different.

1) Not “just” about illegal immigtants and trans rights?  Taxpayer-funded government shouldn’t be about those thing AT ALL.  Do it in your free time with your own money

2) Neither party has done audits or cost cuts or layoffs in 30 years.  All are overdue.  Complaining about the “process” sounds to taxpayers like a cover for wanting all spending to continue forever

3) Everything Democrats did during Covid funneled money to billionaires. Millions of small businesses for forced into bankruptcy, not by the virus but by the blue state responses.  A lot if gov spending under Dems goes to enrich the rich.  That’s one thing the Republicans are auditing.  All of this already happened.  It’s not true that all the cost cutting savings are just going to be funnelled toElon Musk, although Dems talk like their partisan prediction for the future is established fact.

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1) Dems didn’t run on a pro trans platform, only the republicans bought it up as propaganda. Also Trump killed a bipartisan border bill. He doesn’t want to solve anything, he wants to stoke fear so he can remain in power. And if you’re ok with the government being haphazardly destroyed and the constitution trashed to get your way, then you’re an anti-American piece of trash.

2) Audits are overdue. But making up lies about 150 year olds receiving SS benefits and using the audit as a guise to award the *person doing the audit* contracts without competing is the definition of corruption.

3) I don’t disagree there is corruption in the dem party and things have only gotten worse since Citizens United. My family was personally harmed by the COVID response. I’m certainly not a dem apologist and would have considered voting for a more moderate conservative.

But being upset about the pandemic response doesn’t justify antagonizing our allies, aligning with Putin, firing feds for fake “performance issues,” crashing the economy, threatening to not listen to the judicial branch, making jokes about being a king and saying we won’t have to vote again, etc.

And no one thinks the “savings” (of which there is very little) is being funneled to Musk. But he is using DOGE as a means to award his companies tons of money.

Literally the rest of the world (aside from Russia) can see how absurd this administration is. We are becoming an international warning story.
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YES to everything PP says. (I am not a dem apologist either and would prefer something more to the left - but we can all see this.)[/quote]

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