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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Every school has its institutional priorities but once those are met they are trying to fill the class with the strongest students they can attract. Test score profile is the strongest indicator of selectivity which is customers’ own ranking mechanism for which schools are best. [/quote]

Yep. Which is why the quality has absolutely gone down at places like Hopkins that were test optional and pushed so hard to askew actual merit for institutional priorities. [/quote]

Duke and of course Stanford I get but I struggle to understand why JHU and Northwestern are perceived as Ivy Peers and a cut above schools like Vandy, ND, WashU, CMU, Rice, Chicago, Gtown. It’s not in the test scores really and it’s not necessarily in the other characteristics of the schools. [/quote]
Duke and Northwestern both had, for fall 2023, more test score submitters than Harvard Penn UChicago Brown etc. Among schools still TO for that admission season, only Yale had more (and of course test-required schools had more).

With JHU and Stanford returning to test required for the 2025-26 admission season, it will be interesting to see what Northwestern and Duke decide to do for next fall. Neither has announced a policy yet, as far as I know.[/quote]

I still don’t grasp why Northwester and JHU are perceived as better than these other schools. [/quote]
If you look at the list, nearly 80% at Northwestern students submit scores; it is under-ranked. John’s Hopkins is in 50s for percent submitting; it is over-ranked. Don’t lump them together.[/quote]

Dumb way to look at it.  JHU pre-test optional had higher test scores than NU and several ivies plus and higher percent in top 10%:

JHU class of 2023 (in 2019)

https://hub.jhu.edu/2019/08/22/class-of-2023-by-the-numbers/

Test scores: 1480 - 1550

Class rank - 98% in top 10% of class

NU Class of 2023:

https://www.enrollment.northwestern.edu/pdf/common-data/2019-20.pdf

Test scores: 1450 to 1540

Class rank - 92% in top 10% of class

Several ivies had lower test scores and class rank percentages then too.  I would not be surprised if JHU had the same test scores post TO.

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Comparing a marketing blurb to an actual CDS is a "dumb way to look at it." Find the CDS for JHU or get better data: we can't replace good data (above list) with bad. Not to mention that the combined ACT/SAT at NU in the data set you cite is an inflated 117%, so even that datum looks bad...[/quote]

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