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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Every school has its institutional priorities but once those are met they are trying to fill the class with the strongest students they can attract. Test score profile is the strongest indicator of selectivity which is customers’ own ranking mechanism for which schools are best. [/quote]

Yep. Which is why the quality has absolutely gone down at places like Hopkins that were test optional and pushed so hard to askew actual merit for institutional priorities. [/quote]

Duke and of course Stanford I get but I struggle to understand why JHU and Northwestern are perceived as Ivy Peers and a cut above schools like Vandy, ND, WashU, CMU, Rice, Chicago, Gtown. It’s not in the test scores really and it’s not necessarily in the other characteristics of the schools. [/quote]
Duke and Northwestern both had, for fall 2023, more test score submitters than Harvard Penn UChicago Brown etc. Among schools still TO for that admission season, only Yale had more (and of course test-required schools had more).

With JHU and Stanford returning to test required for the 2025-26 admission season, it will be interesting to see what Northwestern and Duke decide to do for next fall. Neither has announced a policy yet, as far as I know.[/quote]

I still don’t grasp why Northwester and JHU are perceived as better than these other schools. [/quote]
As the other poster mentioned, these two are apples and oranges as far as reported scores. What is not clear to you about Northwestern not being on par with these other schools? Do you know anything about NU?

Where % submitting = ACT and SAT % added together:

Yale 82% submitting, 1500-1560, EBRW 740-780, math 760-800
Duke 81% submitting, EBRW 740-770, math 760-800
Northwestern 79% submitting, 1500-1560, EBRW 730-770, math 760-790
Princeton 77% submitting, 1510-1560, EBRW 740-780, math 760-800
Brown 76% submitting, 1510-1560, EBRW 740-770, math 760-800
Harvard 74% submitting, EBRW 740-780, math 760-800
UPenn 70% submitting, EBRW 730-770, math 770-800
Stanford 69% submitting, 1500-1560, EBRW 740-780, math 760-800
JHU 55% submitting, 1530-1560, EBRW 750-780, math 780-800
Vandy 51% submitting, 1500-1560, EBRW 740-770, math 770-790

Apologies in advance if there are typos.[/quote]

Depends on what you mean by "being on par".  If you look at SAT scores, Northwestern looks the same as Princeton.  But Princeton's non-binding yield is probably double Northwestern's.[/quote]

And Northwestern's yield is higher than Duke's.  So what's your point[/quote]

You can't compare RD yield at Northwestern and Duke because Duke no longer publishes a common data set.  Last was 2021-2022.  That year NU and Duke had the same RD yield (44.2% and 43.8%).[/quote]
DP. Duke still reports data to IPEDS. Duke Fall 2023 yield 55%. NU is similar, 57%.

https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=duke&s=all&id=198419[/quote]
Oh nevermind, I see you were talking about RD yield specifically. Sorry.[/quote]

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