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"Informal dog runs" are all over.  I think there fine - owners know their dogs and the trouble dogs are not there and I've never been at one where everyone isn't diligent about cleaning up so I think they are fine and not a problem.[/quote]

Both of the "informal dog runs" I know of are problems.

In one, several of the dogs who frequent them are problem dogs. Zero recall, owners don't even try to exercise control, the dogs just bound around running up to any other dog or person they want and the owners clearly think this is how it's supposed to be because they are crap dog owners and its never even occurred to them to train this out of their dog. One of these dogs regularly steals food from picnickers at the park -- the owner thinks it's funny and has even told people "this is a dog park -- don't bring food here if you don't want dogs to go after it." But... it's not a dog park. It's a regular park that some (bad) dog owners have colonized to use for their own purposes and in doing so have made it functionally useless for any other use.

The other has better behaved dogs and people don't congregate as much -- they just take their dogs to run them in the park. Which would be okay except that this park is dominated by a large playground in the middle. Dogs are technically not allowed in this park at all -- there are large signs saying they aren't permitted that get ignored. Several of my neighbors use this park as a dog run and I've asked them "doesn't that park say no dogs, because of the playground?" They tell me they always check if there are kids on the playground and there aren't, they still go in but keep their dog on leashes. I guess this ignores the kids who might have gone to the playground but didn't because it was full of off leash dogs. Or the fact that even leashed dogs aren't supposed to be in this park.

In both cases, dog owners have decided their need for a place to run their dogs off leash and socialize them is more important than the actual express purpose of these parks. These are public spaces that are only being used by a subset of the community because their use (which is not even legally permitted, but of course there is no enforcement) ruins it for other people. But I think every one of the dog owners going to these "informal dog runs" (including the guy who lets his dog eat people's food) would say that it's just a few well behaved dogs, what's the problem. They are selfish and lacking in self awareness and truly feel entitled to this.[/quote

That sounds selfish, yes. Irritating and rude. But you know what else is selfish and should be criminal? Keeping a dog breed that is known and connected to lethal attacks on people and other animals. Certain breeds should be banned with forced sterilization of all remaining dogs. [/quote]

You know what else is selfish and irritating and rude and should be criminal? Continually derailing unrelated threads with your pit bull paranoia, making baseless accusations and completely unsubstantiated points and forcing otherwise useful threads into chaos. There is a thread for this drivel. Go there.[/quote]

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