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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's a great conference. No schools in it that aren't at least really solid. For overall academic quality, I'd tier it out like this:

Tier 1: NU, UCLA, UMich
Tier 2: Wisconsin, Washington, USC
Tier 3: Illinois, Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Minnesota, Rutgers
Tier 4: IU, Michigan State
Tier 5: Iowa, Oregon, Nebraska

Obviously, there's a lot of variability across programs. The schools I put in Tier 3, for example, all have specific programs that clearly are first-tier.[/quote]Good list.  But you need to break out the Tier 1.  NU is way above UCLA and UMIch.  It's in a category by itself for academics when compared to BIG10 schools[/quote]It's not. Some of its programs are great, others are merely very good--just like UCLA and Michigan.[/quote]Nope, vast majority of NU programs are better.  It's a T10 school.  UCLA and Michigan are not T10 material.  It's also a 6-7K undergrad and private school.  So obviously different than a massive state school in what it can offer. [/quote]If you're not just bloviating, identify the specific NU programs that are stronger than their UCLA and Michigan counterparts. I'll spot you journalism, but what else do you have? Seriously, I'll wait. NU's strengths around radio/film/TV/theatre fall short of UCLA's. Its engineering can't touch Michigan's. Across the pure academic departments, NU's faculty is no stronger than either UCLA's or Michigan's. Some kids benefit more from a smaller environment, for sure, but that's a question of fit, not of quality.[/quote]
That person is definitely bloviating. Like most people on this thread who truly believe in some form ranking exactitude (e.g., "NU is way above UCLA and UMIch"), their opinion is likely based on less than 5 seconds of actual consideration. And that consideration is mostly a subconsciously sloppy mixture of historical USNWR rankings, idiosyncratic experience, and a bias in favor of private schools over public schools.[/quote]

BS I look at more than just "USNWR" which is just "opinions for Undergrad major specific rankings"---at least for CS/Engineering that is just the opinions of other Deans around the country.  So it's biased against larger universities (outside of CalTech/mit) And who knows the "negotiations " that go on between schools---so it's not a true ranking of facts.

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Okay. What else do you look at? I wanna hear about these "facts" that you're ranking. Personally, I rank actual facts above Sean Spicer's alternative facts, but I'm willing to listen to other perspectives.

BTW, CalTech only has about 1,000 undergrads, so that might not be the best example of a large university.[/quote]

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