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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]There’s also a third group of people here you fail to mention- sovereign Israelis, who have a right to exist and defend themselves. They do not have a right to do what settlers are doing, but they have a right to live in peace within established borders, and that means a Jewish majority state, which I do not hold as a supremacist belief, because anything other than a Jewish majority state will lead to the annihilation of the Jews there. It also means full rights for the non Jewish minority within Israel, which is currently in practice. 
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Your position that Israel must be a Jewish majority state is absolutely a Jewish supremacist position regardless of how you consider it. As I have said before, you will only tolerate minority rights for as long as they don't threaten Jewish power. You provide a justification for that position, but it doesn't change the facts about your position.

What would happen if as a result of demographic trends the current non-Jewish population grew significantly to the point where it rivaled the Jewish population in numbers? What would you advocate then?

As for my concept of a Palestinian state, I think it really depends on the Israeli state. Your racist assumption that Palestinians are not capable of ruling themselves ignores that the Israelis are only able to govern themselves as a result of US financial and military support. Israel would be a much different country if that support didn't exist. Under current circumstances, Palestinians have no hope of a state and their only option is resistance. The proposals for a two-state solutions have practical drawbacks that will be the continual source of problems. Therefore, I think the only solution is a single secular democratic state in which the right of return for both Jews and Palestinians is protected. The state, whatever name it ends up with, can be a sanctuary for both peoples, guaranteeing the safety and security of both. 
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What fantasy are you living in which you think the Palestinians and Jews could live in one secular democratic state? Look at Hamas in Gaza. What about that is secular or democratic? Ironically, israel (particularly Tel Aviv) is much closer to your ideals than any Palestinian area. I wouldn’t want to be a Palestinian living under extremist islamic rule, let alone a Jew who would be murdered.

I have no racist assumptions about Palestinians. Only evidence based on years of history. I wish they could live side by side in civilized peace. I also wish the Israeli government was more moderate - but even with liberal leaders in the past, Arafat rejected a two state solution.

It has to be a two state solution. A Jewish majority state and a Palestinian one. And Palestinians need legitimate and as you say “democratic and secular” governing entities. Extremism on both sides will only continue this animosity. [/quote]

This one is funny too. Israel is closer to ideals… when you look past apartheid and ethnic cleansing. really, Israel is just showing how european it wants to be.[/quote]

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