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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I hate untrained dogs.  But shooting the animal is pretty extreme.  [b]Carrying pepper spray or a baton would seem to be a better option.  [/b]

But yes, if you have an untrained dog that will jump happily or get aggressive with strangers, don't let it run around loose when you are expecting a delivery!  Also, train your dogs to have better manners and know how to heel and get called off.[/quote]

Please, enter a property with pit bulls present and let us know how baton and pepper spray work out for you.

Pit bulls were bred for thousands of doggy generations to be nearly impervious to pain - they will hang on to the death in a fight against a bull, a person, another dog, etc. Pepper spray is very likely to make them angrier and more lethal, but not very likely to make them whine and run away.

I used to live in Montana and engaged in back country hiking. Everyone with any common sense knew that carrying bear spray was only any good if you carried two cans, and a gun to boot. The bear (pepper) spray might make a grizzly back off initially, but they are very likely to come back more enraged and ready to kill.

Bullets are far more efficient than capsaicin spray or sticks.[/quote]

The dog was not a pit bull.  It looked like a small hound dog. [/quote]

That doesn't matter. Dogs bite - ALL dogs are capable of biting. 4.5 MILLION Americans are bitten by dogs every single year. Pit bulls are responsible for more lethal attacks, but all breeds are represented in the dog bite statistics. These statistics are readily available many places online, go google it. GSDs are in the top 5 or 10 of lethal attacks and are a notoriously aggressive (POLICE DOGS, anyone?) breed which are quite often poorly trained in the hands of regular Joe owners.

Out of the 4.5 million people who are bitten by dogs every year, many of them develop ptsd and lifelong fear of dogs. They are not going to do a doggy dna test on the dog charging at them before deciding to be fearful for their well being. A dog that looks like a shepherd is going to scare a lot of people when it charges at them. I used to own a very sweet shepherd mix that I could clearly see some people were fearful of, because she was a shepherd and black to boot (black dogs are euthanized at 4x the rate of other dogs at animal shelters). I now have a freckle faced border collie mix that people beg me to pet when we are out on a walk.

People have fears of dogs for legitimate reasons. The eggshell-plaintiff doctrine protects the rights of a plaintiff whose pre-existing fragility makes them particularly susceptible to injury. The tort-feasor takes the injured plaintiff as she is found.[/quote]

Sure, but also if you are so scared of dogs that [b]a sweet shepherd bounding at you [/b]makes you want to shoot, being an instacart driver or post office worker or in-home technician etc isn’t the job for you. [/quote]

You are thick. A stranger has no way to know that the dog is 'sweet,' and I've lost count of the lethal and nonlethal dog attacks I've read about where the clueless negligent owners blathered about how 'sweet' and loving their dog was before it mauled or killed a family member, neighbor, or stranger.

The only party at fault here is the dog's owner, PERIOD. Legally and morally she is at fault for the death of her dog.

Postal workers and delivery drivers are bitten, mauled and even killed by dogs every year. They are not the problem - the dog owners are the problem, PERIOD.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amazon-delivery-driver-found-dead-apparent-dog-attack-rcna53834

https://about.usps.com/newsroom/national-releases/2023/0601-usps-releases-dog-bite-national-rankings.htm[/quote]

[b]The fact remains that postal workers and delivery drivers interact with dogs ALL THE TIME. [/b] If you are terrified of dogs, that isn’t the job for you. You can quote scary news articles all you want but the point stands.[/quote]

No they aren’t rolling around, playing fetch with doggy or even allowed to pet or motion to the dog. They are doing their drop offs then heading to the next location per job. They aren’t interacting with dog . Half the problem is Dog owners and dogs think everyone should interact or engage with the dog . They are doing a job to drop off the mail or package and then move on.[/quote]

USPS workers are not required to deliver mail if there is a dog in the yard. We have a dog and our carrier is afraid of dogs (had been bitten in the past) and we worked with the post master on moving our mailbox to a place outside the yard because the post office couldn’t give us a regular time window for delivery (like 8-noon or noon to 5) and our mail just gets delivered at 8am one day, 5pm the next and then 9pm the day after next so there is no schedule. This caused us to never know when we could have our dog in the yard where he absolutely prefers to be. It was during these discussions we learned of the USPS policy. [/quote]

This. There is no requirement that delivery drivers love dogs or have any comfort around them. In fact, I think a healthy fear of any unknown dog would be an asset in these jobs, as it would keep you safe and help you avoid a situation where you might be attacked. A delivery person who is afraid of dogs will avoid delivering if there is an unrestrained dog (or even a restrained but unattended dog) at an address, or may insist that the dog be restrained before entering the property. That's appropriate. In fact, if that had happened here, the dog in question would still be alive.

Dog owners need to let go of the idea that they are going to convince the whole world that their dog is great and everyone will want him or her around all the time. Your dog is your dog. No one else has any obligation with regards to him. [/quote]

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