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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The poster who says “they are in it together” has a point.
I am in Kazakhstan (before y’all start Borat is banned here) and the Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs always had their business closely tied. The Russian ones wanted the friendly Ukrainian ones to rule the country, but another faction came to power and so it all began. 
The whole “Ukraine is fighting for its freedom” is just bull for the wide eyed western public who will now have to put up with inflation and what not.
How hard is it to understand that it’s just the big bourgeoisie fighting? 
And no I am not saying Russia is good. They are all the same and they have zero compassion for the ordinary man who has to suffer. It’s all the same since Marx. [/quote]

Yes, the Russian Oligarchs and Ukrainian Oligarchs were one and the same. Paul Manafort did their bidding. It wasn't an accident that he was Trump's campaign manager.

The current Ukrainian leadership is not cut from that cloth. That was the whole thing about removing the previous Solicitor when Biden was VP - Ukraine has been trying to get out from under Russia's yoke. Russia is upset about it hence the invasion, first Crimea, then Donbas then Feb 2023.  To suggest they are still aligned is simply ludacrious.[/quote]

Yeah right not cut from that cloth. 
This is just something that’s being fed to gullible westerners, sorry.
We are ALL from the former USSR and pretty much the same, for better or worse. Same with the guys in power.

Honestly this is a hopeless region in terms of being a western democracy. 
However it can’t just be obliterated (which I am happy about), so the choices are two: to coexist in mutual respect (and leave their/our affairs to them) or to try and weaken the region while extracting most of the resources (the current approach). [/quote]

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