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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why are you all so obsessed with other people's kids? Maybe your problem is really with colleges and competitions with artificial grade-based boundaries for giving out prizes. Attack the real problem. [/quote]

It’s the teasing, it’s the spots on select athletic teams sorted by grade… it’s an unfair advantage in elementary school and it puts the youngest kids at a disadvantage. My kid has been teased for his height and he’s in the 95 percentile for height for his age but in such a redshirt heavy school with a lot of tall peers he plays sports with, you would not be able to tell he’s tall for his age. He is still smaller than kids 14m older. He’s mid June birthday and has several early spring kids in his class.  I don’t really care about the height thing but time and time again, the younger kids are held to higher standards. Most of the kids selected for the peer leadership team at our school are redshirted kids. I think the schools want to older kids to be honest. They have less to worry about all around, especially with academic. A 6.5 year old is much more read to read than a just turned 5 year old. Everything is just easier. They are usually behaved in the classroom, but many have issues with peers and teasing/bullying outside of the classroom. That’s been my experience. I’m not talking about redshirts within a month or two, Im talking about kids who were intentionally held back to have an advantage that are 6m from the cut off.  [/quote]

When are you going to stop external supplementation and education for your child? When are you going to move to an at-risk school district? Since you claim to care so much about parents not doing anything that might advantage their child, I assume you are going to be consistent. Please update us![/quote]

They do that too. There is a big difference between getting tutoring and just holding your kid back so they are a full year older than most kids and 18m older than the younger kids. The fact that you don’t see the difference says a lot. I think once people make up their minds they just don’t see it as gaming the system, which it is. [/quote]

Right, there is a big difference between outside tutoring and classes and redshirting: outside tutoring and supplementation have been shown in studies to cause harm to other children in the classroom, to the point where educators are now trained in how to try to mitigate that harm, while redshirting has not been shown to cause any harm. So, you are correct: your tutoring and outside academic supplements are in fact quite different than redshirting. I’m glad you acknowledge the serious harm you are doing to other children by your outside academic supplements.

Also, I wasn’t talking about what other parents were doing. I was talking about what [i]you[/i] are going to do, because you are so worried about parents doing things that supposedly cause harm to other students. I want to know what you are going to do to mitigate the harms you are causing since you are so harshly judging other parents for your (imaginary, unsupported) claims of harm.

I’ll ask you again: when are you going to move your child to an at-risk school district? When are you going to stop externally supplementing, and start lobbying the school boards against such programs? When are you going to do something that actually helps all those kids you supposedly worry about?

I know you won’t answer this. You are an utter raging hypocrite like most of DCUMs anti-redshirt posters. You know I’m right, too, which is why you are scrambling to talk about what those other parents do and not answer the questions about your own actions. [/quote]

That's a bunch of smoke.  You have a group of parents actively involved with their kids and another group who isn't who holds back their kids to make it easier on them.  Working with your kids to make sure they are on or above target is the right thing to do as a parent.  You cannot rely on the school system to do everything for every child.  I am proud I taught my kids a good foundation.  I'm sorry you weren't willing to spend that time with a child who equally struggled, which is why mine are surpassing yours now even though yours are two years older than mine in the same grade.[/quote]

I didn’t redshirt, but as usual with anti-redshirt posters, you immediately jumped to attacking children. It is what you folks always do, especially when your hypocrisy is on full display: attack children.

We all see you for what you are.[/quote]

The issue isn't the kids, it's the parents who aren't willing to put the time into them, and/or they are insistent on private and private want older kids because its easier on the school and it artificially creates spots for kids, especially siblings.  There is zero hypocrisy to work with your child at home.  What should I have done?  Not getting my child the therapies they needed?  If they struggled in an area, like reading, I should just ignore it and hold my child back.  NO.  I get my kids help, I help them at home and I send them on time.

Holding back a kid, let's call it what it is, isn't going to fix immature behavior.  You are putting them with younger kids so they will continue to be immature for their age and not given they opportunity to have age-appropriate behaviors as they'll never be with their true age group.[/quote]

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