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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Matthew 5:17 (“Do not think that I have come to abolish Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”)

Jesus didn’t come to love everyone and tell everyone he loves them even if they sin.

He came to offer salvation to sinners- all of us.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ESV

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.[/quote]

This.

Jesus offers all of us redemption from our sin. We all sin, every day, sometimes intentionally. [/quote]

Like the people who judge others over who they love? [/quote]

Sexual immorality isn’t love, it’s sin. [/quote]

Homosexuality isn’t a sin. [/quote]

It’s considered sexual immorality, just like adultery, sex outside of marriage, etc.

What is sexual immorality?

https://www.gotquestions.org/sexual-immorality.html

The following are some common objections to God’s commands against sexual immorality:

1. It’s not wrong if we love each other. The Bible makes no distinction between “loving” and “unloving” sexual relations. The only biblical distinction is between married and unmarried people. Sex within marriage is blessed (Genesis 1:28); sex outside of marriage is “fornication” or “sexual immorality” (1 Corinthians 7:2–5).

2. Times have changed, and what was wrong in biblical times is no longer considered sin. Most of the passages condemning sexual immorality also include evils such as greed, lust, stealing, etc. (1 Corinthians 6:9–10; Galatians 5:19–21). We have no problem understanding that these other things are still sin. God’s character does not change with culture’s opinion (Malachi 3:6; Numbers 23:19; Hebrews 13:8).

3. We’re married in God’s eyes. The fallacy of this idea is that the God who created marriage in the first place would retract His own command to accommodate what He has called sin. God declared marriage to be one man and one woman united for life (Mark 10:6–9). The Bible often uses the imagery of a wedding and a covenant marriage as a metaphor to teach spiritual truth (Matthew 22:2; Revelation 19:9). God takes marriage seriously, and His “eyes” see immorality for what it is, regardless of how cleverly we have redefined it.

4. I can still have a good relationship with God because He understands. Proverbs 28:9 says, “If one turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer is an abomination.” We fool ourselves when we think that we can stubbornly choose sin and God does not care. First John 2:3–4 contains a serious challenge for those who persist in this line of thinking: “We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. Whoever says, ‘I know him,’ but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.”

Hebrews 13:4 makes God’s expectation for His children crystal clear: “Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.” Sexual immorality is wrong. The blood of Jesus can cleanse us from every type of impurity when we repent and receive His forgiveness (1 John 1:7–9). But that cleansing means our old nature and all its practices, including sexual immorality, are put to death (Romans 6:12–14; 8:13). Ephesians 5:3 says, “But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.”

https://www.gotquestions.org/sexual-immorality.html

pp, why do you say homosexuality isn’t sinful?

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It’s not immoral. And it’s not a sin. No matter how much you try to twist the words from some old timey book. [/quote]

You don’t have to believe the Bible or be a Christian. Those who identify as Christian, believe the Bible is God’s word.

You don’t have to have anything to do with Christianity, you don’t have to pray or attend church. Therefore your opinion is only important to yourself and has no meaning to Christians.

The Bible defines sexual immorality, you don’t follow the Bible or believe in God- why do you care what Christians do or think? Are you worried about other people’s religions because you don’t like them? Ok. Don’t like them. But you don’t define Christianity at all. You can completely avoid the Bible and live your life. [/quote]

Because religious people are trying to hurt others because of their twisted, judgmental beliefs. [/quote]

Christians haven’t decided what God calls sin. We have no choice in that.

God’s word comes from God.
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Stay in your lane. You can deal with your own personal sexual orientation however you choose. But you don’t get to have an opinion about others. Or actively try to hurt them. [/quote]

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Hundreds of these horrific photos are on the internet. Muslims don’t like gay men. They actively hunt them down and execute them.

What is your experience with being hurt by Christians in America? A Christian physically attacked you? Were they arrested? Christians have tried to burn your house down? Physically stopped you from entering their church and called you slurs?

People who practice their religion according to their religious beliefs aren’t hurting anyone.

In America, if someone is hurting anyone, an adult, a child, a pet, call the police and have the police intervene and investigate and have the person arrested.

Posting online that you are being hurt and all glbtq people are being hurt because you can’t change how their hundreds if not thousands of year old religious views sexual sin is just moronic.

It’s not like they say oh ok, commit adultery, have sex with anyone you want outside of marriage, that’s acceptable,  but glbtq people are not acceptable. Glbt  are not being singled out as the only people who are committing sexual immorality. You feel like you are being persecuted when you are not. You do not have to be a Christian and you do not have to submit to God. You can live your life any legal way you choose.

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PP: “don’t hurt gay people”

Christian: “but we’ve hated gay people for thousands of years and Muslims hurt them more than we do” 
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Are you a Christian?
Why are you speaking for Christians.

Christians hate sin. Not the sinner.

Sexual immorality is a sin and Christianity will never accept sexual immorality.

You don’t have to like Christianity. You don’t have to participate in Christianity. And you aren’t going to change Christianity because your feelings are hurt because you can’t be told your sin is acceptable.

I don’t go to church to be told my sin is ok. If you do that’s a you problem.

If you want to pretend Christianity is hurting you, that’s a you problem.

If you want to live your life free of mean Christianity, you are in the right place.
Nobody is hurting you because you are glbtq. That’s a delusional belief you hold that is inconsistent with reality.

You can get married.

Who is forcing you to attend conversion therapy? No Christian forces any glbtq person to attend conversion therapy.

If a Christian person threatens you and you feel unsafe, call the police, get a restraining order, have them arrested and jailed. [/quote]

The PP was speaking for Christians. Take it up with her. She’s the one who tried to deflect by posting (off topic) about Muslims and also said “ you can’t change how their hundreds if not thousands of year old religious views sexual sin”.

People have certainly been forced to go to conversion therapy.

Homosexuality isn’t “immoral”. It’s not a sin. 
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Bible Verses about Homosexuality

Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Jude 1:7 ~ Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

Romans 1:26-28 ~ For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

Mark 10:6-9 ~ But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”

1 Kings 15:12
12  He expelled the male shrine prostitutes from the land and got rid of all the idols his ancestors had made

Leviticus 18:22
22  “ ‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

Romans 1:32
32  Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Romans 1:27
27  In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Leviticus 18:22-24
22  “ ‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
23  “ ‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.
24  “ ‘Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled.

Leviticus 20:13
13  “ ‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9  Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men
10  nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11  And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God

1 Timothy 1:8-11
8  We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.
9  We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,
10  for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine
11  that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me

Hebrews 13:1-5
 Hebrews 13:5
1  Keep on loving one another as brothers and sisters.
2  Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.
3  Continue to remember those in prison as if you were together with them in prison, and those who are mistreated as if you yourselves were suffering.
4  Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.
5  Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you

John 8:7-11
7  When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
8  Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9  At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there.
10  Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
11  “No one, sir,” she said. “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

Romans 1:26-28
26  Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
27  In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28  Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done

Jude 1:5-8
5  Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe.
6  And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.
7  In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
8  In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings

Mark 10:6-9
6  “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’
7  ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,
8  and the two will become one flesh.’So they are no longer two, but one flesh.
9  Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate

1 Corinthians 7:2
2  But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband.

Romans 13:8-10
8  Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law.
9  The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
10  Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law

1 Corinthians 6:17-20
 1 Corinthians 6:19-20
17  But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.
18  Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body.
19  Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
20  you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.

Romans 1:18-32
18  The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
19  since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
20  For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21  For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22  Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
23  and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24  Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
25  They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26  Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
27  In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28  Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.
29  They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,
30  slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
31  they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy.
32  Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them

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How mentally insane do you have to be to care about what the Bible says?[/quote]

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