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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Ok, so it’s looking like the consensus on here is that marriage is bad. Especially for women. Women should go it alone. Men are bad partners who don’t pull their load and are man children. And it’s totally cool for kids to have a one parent household and that’s just as good as a two parent (even if all that science stuff says it’s not.) sounds good and let’s see where America is in 30 years.[/quote]

You're like the spouse who responds to any criticism with "I can't ever do anything right; you hate me." Marriage can be good, it can be bad. The scoldy morality police should spend more time thinking about how marriage could be made a better institution for everyone; and how to structure things so that kids in single family households don't suffer any more than they need to when marriages don't work out.[/quote]
This.  So much of the subtext us "women need to lower their standards and get married" rather than "we should make societal changes to meaningfully support marriage and childbearing."[/quote]

I think this is a chicken and the egg scenario.
No, women shouldn’t have to “lower their standards and get married”
But if they raise their standards for ACCESS to their time, love, bodies, attention so that marriage is the requirement for this rather than available at the same level through simply dating, then men will begin to shift their behaviors and attentions accordingly.
As it is, high quality men in their twenties and thirties can easily wine, dine, date, have sex with, travel with, co-habitate with any number of different women because women have allowed that under the guise of sexual liberation. But the truth is, if women locked that down, men would have to shape up in order to win the affection, attention, and partnership of a high-quality woman.
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“Locked it down”? It sounds like you’re suggesting these women withhold intimacy as a power play.

Yeah, I don’t know about that.

Men are not idiots.

I can see the future, and if it’s populated by a ton of angry, resentful women lamenting the “failures” of men on tik tok…men will go their own way, pursue their own interests, and yes, probably avoid being tied to a misanthrope culture or critical partner who is constantly disappointed.

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You act this is a big loss for women. It’s not. The vast majority of people want to pair up at some point in their lives, but women are much happier being single than men are. All women want is a partner with whom their life is better with than it is being alone and it’s absurd that so many men can’t meet that standard. You should be embarrassed for your sex.

(Happily married straight woman here, by the way) [/quote]

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