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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If my income was $300k I would have zero problems being able to pay for my kid to go to an expensive, private college. You need a dose of reality[/quote] $300k puts you in a 30% combined tax bracket if you live in MD, about 27% in VA. Don't forget, SALT deductions are limited, so you will probably take the standard deduction. If you are 50+, you want to max out your 401k contribution and add the catch up extra $7500, which brings it to like $30K per person. So, your income will look something like this: 1. 60K 401k (assuming both are 50+ and contributing the max, which you should at that income level) 2. taxes around $60K to $65K That leaves you with 300K - 120k = $180k. Let's say your annual expenses is something like $100K/yr in just expenses. You would have $80k left. But that just pays for room and board. Travel and other costs will rack up more. That's just one kid. Many of us have more than one kid who will be in college at the same time. You will also not have any wiggle room for large emergency expenses or even vacation. If your car breaks down (like ours just did), you'd have to get a loan at 6% to 7%. My DC is at the state flagship with some merit aid. We told this DC, who had super high stats, to not do ED at the expensive colleges. We cannot afford it, yes, even with $300K per year. It would leave us with so little wiggle room, that we'd be eating hand to mouth for the next 7 years -- we have two kids, and DH is 60. We have enough in the 529s for in state. That would barely cover 2 years of private. I think you are the one who needs a dose of reality. [/quote] NP: I personally wouldn't pay $80K for college--don't think it is worth it for 99% of colleges; however, your analysis leaves out any savings (for emergencies, etc.) and a 529 or investments/assets that could be used to pay for college. Your assumption is that the family is cashflowing the entire cost per year. I also wouldn't max out 401k for 4-5 years while 1-2 kids are in college if your 401k is already at a healthy amount. [/quote] Yes, I made the assumption that the PP stated they could pay for private college with $300HHI because they didn't state that. If our 529 had $250K+, sure, but I don't think the PP has that much in their 529. Like I said, we have enough for in state in our 529, but at $80/year with two kids, we'd still have to cash flow at least $300K. And I disagree about not maxing out retirement. What is a "healthy" amount in retirement ? We aren't feds, so we have to pay for our own health insurance. I'm not planning to work until I'm 65. You can always borrow to pay for college; can't do that for retirement.[/quote] Again, you are making life choices.. if you will not work until 65, which is what you project you'll need to, you need to change your lifestyle or accept your kids cannot go to any school you/they want. [/quote] well, duh, of course it's about life choices, but the PP thought $300K was plenty to pay for $80k/year private. [b]My point is that it's really not unless you ONLY save for college, have one child, and don't want to go on vacations (and I'm not even talking about luxury vacations), or buy a new car, or have reasonable emergency savings, or live in a good school cluster (public not private).[/b] We don't drive expensive cars, I drive a subaru. My spouse is from the UK, and we go see their family every couple of years. My family lives out west, so we go see them the other years. Family of four. Do you know how expensive that gets. I suppose I could prioritize college savings, and not see our elderly parents biannually. yes, it's all about life choices. My kids have learned that. My DC now in college has learned that going to an expensive school outside of T10 is not a good deal. That spending $300K+ for four years just so you like the feel of the campus for 4 years is shortsighted. If you take out loans for those expensive four years, you'll be paying off that loan for the next 20 years. But, those are our opinions and our choices. [/quote] I mean, this is demonstrably untrue? We earn more than $100K less a year than you, have two kids, have tons of emergency savings, have enough in retirement savings to retire early if we want to, and are saving enough for college to cover well over half of the price of the most expensive colleges (should be able to cashflow the rest pretty easily, especially since we'll be done paying off our 15-year mortgage by then.) Not sure why you can't do this at your much higher income. Are you one of those "only the most prestigious public schools are good enough for my kids, so clearly we must spend 7 figures on a house" kind of people? Are you way over-saving for retirement at the expense of college? [/quote] We did a 15 year refinance and paid it off quicker with recasting and it's freeing not having a mortgage. I'd love a bigger house, but I'd prefer mine has a debt free education. I don't get how those of us with less income seem to manage and those that make double cannot.[/quote]
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