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I think scores should be required, period.

The "doesn't test well" is a myth. My son with special needs didn't test well until we got him diagnosed, taught him organizational skills and half-medicated (he couldn't take the optimal dose of meds due to medical concerns, but a little was better than nothing).

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So, without significant intervention, your kid didn't test well.  It required diagnosis, training, and medication.  What about kids without the resources and time and knowledge to get those things?  For whom standardized tests don't actually reflect their cognitive abilities or their knowledge?[/quote]

PP you replied to. Too bad for them. I think we should have universal healthcare and neuropsychs should be covered by insurance. I think meds should be cheaper.

But it’s incredibly frustrating to dumb down the whole process just for a minority of kids.

***I would feel that way EVEN if my kid had bad scores!***

[b]My native country [/b]has no accommodations or services in school for kids with disabilities. My ADHD hindered me significantly. But I do appreciate that they still hold students to high academic standards. It’s all about grades and test scores. No extra-curriculars, hooks or nonsense allowed.
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Yes, yes we know where you are from. Could you put that in the OP next time and every time in these college threads so we can skip them? And feel free to send your child to college in India. [/quote]

wow, what a racist statement! I'm from a European country and our school system is as the PP described hers. No EC, hooks, URM, legacy. It's all about test scores! 
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Go ahead and restrict your kid to applying only to schools you think have legitimate admissions practices.

Guess what? No one else cares. [/quote]

Guess what? my kid knows how to play the game and is at a top school by dcum standard. I just laugh at all those of you who claim that your DC is a straight A student but is not a good test taker. Yeah right!  Pretty sure that many of these kids have also prepped like crazy but couldn't hack a decent score because guess what? not everyone has the ability to get to 1500s. For all those who argue that GPA is a better indicator of college success, [b]I guess you've never heard of grade inflation and unlimited retakes until students get an A[/b]. I'm in a parents facebook group for DC's college, and there are so many parents complaining about their previously straight A students struggling or failing their intro classes.[/quote]

My HS senior attends a DMV school where there are NO test retakes. How do I know? I teach at a DMV public. So forgetting this little debate regarding TO or not, I am so sick of my kid having to compete against all of those who have been retaking their tests since middle school. See how this all works? There will always be something to compare to and complain about so if not TO it will surely be something else.[/quote]

Well for MS/HS especially, as a teacher you should recognize that the entire purpose of school is ofor the kid TO LEARN.  Done correctly, the retake process does just that, it allows the kids to actually learn the material and show mastery. If not the first try, on the retake.  And I have never seen anywhere that the kids just get to retake and it totally replaces the first grade.  For my kids, it was always, go trhu each question on original test and submit corrections/explanations.  Then retake and you got back at most 1/2 the points you got wrong on the first test.  So if you had a 70, you could at most get 15 points back.

Also, my kid is at a T30 college, and in most math/STEm courses, the kids do get opportunity to demonstrate they have learned the material.  Ex: Math class has a final worth 40%, 3 midterms each worth 15%, and HW/Particpation/Quizzes worth 15%. The final covers the entire course (ie all 3 midterms).  If you grade on the final for "Midterm #1 portion" is Higher than your actual Midterm #1 grade, the "final grade for MT1 portion" replaces your midterm #1.  And so on.  Why?   Because the entire purpose is to learn the material.  Math builds upon itself (as do most STEM classes).  So if a student masters the material for the final and scores better than the midterms, they get the higher score. Because they mastered the material, which is the ultimate goal of learning

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