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This is such a complicated issue.
Is it ok to create a baby who will not have a mother past the first minutes after birth?
Is it ok to leave the baby with the parents who are clearly not able to give her a good life?
Is it ok to deny parenting to someone who isn’t a biological parent but can give the baby so much more than the bio parents?

That’s not complicated at all. Yes it’s ABSOLUTELY ok to “deny parenting” to someone even if they’re wealthier than the child’s biological parents. Or do you think if Elon Musk wants to adopt your child he should be entitled to do so because he can “give them so much more” than you?

You are reducing it all to wealth.
If the bio parents are so poor that they can’t give the child stable housing (even if it’s a small apartment) and nutritious food; if they are so uneducated that they can’t give the child the basics before school; [b]if they are addicted or mentally ill but keep having babies - absolutely the kids need to be adopted.[/b]
You seem to close your eyes to a common problem - people have kids but they can’t give them even the basics of stable lives.

That sounds like a societal failure. You don’t steal a woman’s child because she can’t feed it- you give her the d*mn food, you give her the d*mm treatment, and you make sure every one likes her gets fully educated.[/quote]

The big one is an addicted or mentally ill mother. If a women just needs food and support financially, that is one thing. Addiction and mental health issues can only be solved with the will of the person who is afflicted. Many times people are not on board to solve these issues, even if they have a child. They will often neglect the child due to those issues. Ask me how I know. It's heartbreaking. 
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I have heard about a woman with schizophrenia that qualified to adopt since her condition could be managed with medication 
I am not sure if adoptive parents are aware that mental illness like manic depression and schizophrenia are hereditary. There was a lawsuit years ago. The adoptive family sued the adoption agency because they ended up adopting a baby whose mother was in a mental hospital and the agency did not tell them about this possible pre existing issue [/quote]

I am adopted because of a birth mother wirh paranoid schizophrenia. Her mom illness was not adequately managed sufficient to raise children and I can say that with certainty because I had an open adoption and still know her.

In my state, I (my birth parents) were given genetic medical history for both parents and it was known to me along with known to my birth siblings who were adopted to a separate family. Included info about relatives with diabetes and other medical conditions that could be inherited. But this may vary by state and what's available, known.

Of note, while schizophrenia can be hereditary with highest risk to an immediate descendent, but also, the odds are still very low, especially with a stable family environment. None of us inherited it and can safely say that now that we're all in our 40s. I am very happy to have been adopted.[/quote]
There is a genetic component to the illness. A study of identical twins found that in 50% of cases both twins got paranoid schizophrenia [/quote]

I am well aware of that study, but the odds discussed are of a child to a parent with schizophrenia. In a direct child of one parent with schizophrenia, it's roughly 10% odds, but yes, jumps higher if more than one first degree relative with the disease. Adoption into a stable family environment reduces risk of the child becoming schizophrenic as there is interplay between genetic risk and societal factors. I'm pro-choice btw, in case anyone mistakes my previous sentence for an anti-choice stance.[/quote]
I would not go that far or believe that much in statistics 
The one person that I know who had this disease did grow up in a stable home, ganetic component came from fathers side of the family and had jumped a generation [/quote]

while that's sad, anecdote does not disprove statistics.[/quote]

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