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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I agree the fact incident is concerning and the involved students should be disciplined.

But I also think it's possible-to-likely that the incident was kids being stupid and ignorant, but not actually anti-Semitic. My experience with other people in this area makes me think it's unlikely that a group of students at Blair are starting some kind of Nazi club. The way the incident is described makes me think there's some likelihood they didn't realize that what they were doing looked like a Nazi salute to others. They were scene doing it together while posing for a picture. Does anyone actually think a group of students at Blair were like "let's take a picture of ourselves doing a Nazi salute in theiddle of the day in campus!"?

This is different from the incidents of anti-Semitic graffiti at other MoCo schools, acts committed at night and which are clearly intended as hate speech. It's not hard to imagine an angry, wrong headed individual doing that, while obviously making an effort not to get caught

What are the odds this was a group of kids doing a dance move or attempting a "cool" pose for a photo, and just didn't realize it looked like they were heiling Hitler?[/quote]

Blair parent here and I agree. A Hitler salute could easily be a dance move or a regular salute. Given the reaction though I wonder if it was more than that? Eg directed at Jewish students, knowingly a Hitler salute or accompanied by Nazi or antisemitic language?[/quote]

You realize you’re minimizing antisemitism, right? Would you do that if the kids were doing something anti-Asian or anti-Black? [/quote]

No if it was clearly anti Asian or anti black. You realize Hitler targeted other races too don’t you? A Hitler salute is offensive to blacks, gays, Gypsys, the disabled and many others targeted by Hitler. Many members of my family were interred and some died in Nazi concentration camps, and more were executed by the Nazis.

Again, I think there’s more to this story than we know - there must be evidence that it was more than just a raised right hand that could be easily misinterpreted.[/quote]

I have family members who were killed by the Nazis too. My dad’s entire side of the family is in this country because of pogroms by the Soviets against Ukrainian Jews in Odessa.

So don’t lecture me about antisemitism.[/quote]

1) I’m not lecturing you, responding to you lecturing me.
2) I’m not Jewish, neither were any of my (close) family members who were murdered (some by firing squad) by the Nazis for their efforts to protect Jewish people during the war, or who were sent to concentration camps because of who they were. This was not that long ago - some of the survivors only died in the past couple of years - I personally heard their stories and I personally saw the life long impact, that was both emotional and physical.[/quote]

No one is saying the Nazis only targeted Jews.

And the fact that you feel you need to tell me it wasn’t that long ago is highly offensive. Trust me — I know. [/quote]

I’m talking about MY experience talking to MY aunts and uncles and witnessing their trauma and loss and even life long physical disability due to the Nazis. How that is highly offensive I don’t know, but you need to get a grip.[/quote]

You didn’t need to say “this wasn’t that long ago” to a Jewish person. Have some sensitivity. [/quote]

FFS. [/quote]

It’s like explaining the basics of racism to a black person.[/quote]

You’re right. I should have said it was a long time ago, let’s forget it. Would that make you happier?

If this were an in person conversation you’d just have agreed with me and the conversation would move on. You’re just looking for something to get offended about. We’re not talking about the basics of antisemitism, we’re talking about Hitler and the Second World War. How about you actually read what I wrote?

It’s astounding that you feel that one group has a monopoly on Nazi trauma and that no one else can legitimately have been impacted and that it’s offensive that someone whose family members died in concentration camps, fought in the resistance, saved many Jewish lives (and were honored for doing so), were executed by firing squad and more, comments that this was our recent history (EVEN THOUGH you agree with this, because apparently, according to you only Jewish people can say that??!). What many Americans don’t seem to understand in the same way as those of us who grew up in Europe in the 50s, 60s or 70s do is that Nazi atrocities were broad and long lasting throughout Europe in addition to the horrific death camps and the devastating toll on the Jewish population.[/quote]

No. You don’t get it.

It’s offensive to explain basic facts about WWII and the Holocaust to a Jewish person.

I never said Jews have a monopoly on any of this, but your need to explain to me that your family was also impacted sounds like you’re trying to center yourself in this conversation.[/quote]

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