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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Our neighbors left ATS because they said it was not a good school for their kid who had special needs.

Neighborhood schools ( not all, but many) do a better job with that. [/quote]

Right.  Because ATS is a choice school.

Because it's a self selecting group, that's about 75% of the success right there.  [/quote]

More than 75% I think. Probably 90%.  There are some things that can be replicated, but you aren’t going to be able to fix the main ingredient for ATS’s success in narrowing the achievement gap. [/quote]

If self-selection is the achievement gap fixer, why don't the other choice programs have the same effect? [/quote]

Yes, and not just other choice programs.  The highly educated wealthy parents self selected, too, by buying into the elementary schools in northernmost Arlington.

Yet, I believe all those schools do have an achievement gap for their very few kids who do not fall into the well resourced parent category.  There are also gaps for SN kids when I last checked, and ethnic ones as well.  
They should have zero problems closing their gaps for those few students, why don't they or can't they?   [/quote]

Just because you’re wealthy doesn’t mean you’re involved. The number of parents in NA schools who didn’t know their child was struggling with reading or math till the later grades is shocking. Like HOW DIDN’T YOU KNOW?

You don’t need a teacher’s written report to know if your child is struggling. Do you not read with your child at home? Or talk about math concepts?[/quote]

More notably, ;just because you're poor doesn't mean you're NOT involved. Enough with this stuff. Schools can't control what the parents are going to do or are able to do. Let's focus on what schools can do regardless of the parents - because kids can succeed, period.[/quote]

No one’s saying poor parents can’t be involved. ATS has low SES families that thrive.

(And FWIW, not everyone at TJHSST is wealthy either.)[/quote]

The ED families at ATS got there through the preschool program at ATS, so they have an educational foundation and parental commitment not all kids do.

If you want every neighborhood school to include preschool, great. I'm all for that. And I support it to the extent of thinking that if doing so means putting all the fifth graders in trailers, I'm fine with that, too. [/quote]

Yes. I pointed out the significance of VPI feeding directly into ATS as opposed to our other schools with high FRL/ELLs that don't. Those schools have far more kids starting farther behind. I support more preschool (not universal free pre-K) but I also don't want preK to become kindergarten and kindergarten become first grade, etc. That's what's happened over the years. Kindergarten is far from the half-day, play, learn your abc's and count to ten that it used to be.[/quote]

This year the bulk of Claremont's incoming class came from VPI. It will be interesting to see how that impacts things in a few years (Claremont added an additional VPI class). Essentially the entire Spanish population of Claremont came from VPI this year. [/quote]

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