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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I would love to know what the average SAT score is for a Pell Grant student, a need based aid recipient and a full pay student [/quote]

Who cares?  SAT scores do not indicate intelligence.  They indicate who has the best means to prep for them.  [/quote]

So how do you know these poor kids are every bit as smart and have just as much potential as the valedictorian of a leading American high school who got 1570 but was rejected, because, you know, they are privileged, they didn't really earn it, as Obama might say (RIP Joe the Plumber)?  How does the admissions officer know this kid with 1310 and strong grades from a non-competitive high school is indeed just as strong as the best kids from the best high schools?[/quote]

From the interview, from the essays, from the recommendations.....the list is long.  Fact is the kids these top schools select are not flunking out, they are succeeding and going on to do good things.  So who are you to say they are not just as smart?

Once people get over the notion that top grade and top SAT scores "entitle them to a T25 education", they will be freer to actually succeed at life.  Nobody is entitled to this.  H/Y/P/M/S are entitled to select whomever they want to enroll for their freshman class---they are not required to select everyone with a 4.0/1600 (and they often do not).  If they see the value of having a 3.8/no score submitted or a 3.8/1500 as a member of their class, they are allowed to accept them.  There is more to a person than just grades and test scores---the 3.8/1500 may have stellar recommendations, truly overcome an obstacle in life, great essays that are genuine, amazing recommendations that are genuine (much easier to write a truly genuine recommendation when only 25% of your students go to college and only a few of them are stellar---you have likely gotten to know those kids over their 4 years and really worked to nurture and encourage that start student), etc.  
And if your issue is to complain that "it's unfair that my kid never had those obstacles" then you need to look deep and figure out your issues.  [/quote]

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