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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don’t consider Italians as white [/quote]

I don’t think Italians are one race.[/quote]

Italians are the white Europeans.[/quote]

Europe is a place not a race. Southern Italians and Siclians genetically cluster closer to Levantine Arabs and other West Asians than they do to all Europeans besides Greeks and southern balkanites. They're just as close to Lebanese and Syrian people genetically as they are to Northern Italians.[/quote]

Asia is a place not a race?

Africa is a place not a race?

Should everyone get to put down their 23 and me statistics?
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You're just proving my point about how ignoring western notions of race are. Of course Africa is a place and not a race. Are Tunisians, Algerians, Moroccans, Nigerians, Ghanians, etc all the same race?

It's very obvious that Mediterraneans--regardless of whether they're from Africa, "Europe," or "Asia" all share a great degree of looks, ancestry, culture, architecture, food, and history. It doesn't take a 23andme test or rocket science to realize this. All it takes is visiting countries in the Mediterranean. Are you implying that Italians and Greeks are more similar to Finnish people and Swedes than to Lebanese people and Tunisians?

Europe is a fake continent that "westerners" drew in Eurasia to divide the Muslims and other "eastern" cultures from "western" cultures. It had no significant meaning historically, culturally, ancestrally, etc until Europeans forged relations with each other more recently via the EU.[/quote]

Where I lived growing up, I knew several families whose ancestors had come to the US from northern Italy. They were all very adamant that they were not at all the same as the more recent immigrant families from southern Italy. This was at a time that The Godfather movies were popular and they were making the point that the organized crime portrayed in the movie was from southern Italy, which they implied was practically a different country from where they were from.

But reading this, I realize that those northern Italian families looked very different from the southern Italian families I knew, and looking at a map, I can see that people living in northern italy probably mixed and intermarried more with the French, Swiss, Germans, and Austrians than they did with people from the Mediterranean countries. So, they probably did have a different genetic background. 
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This used to be the widespread belief in the United States as well. Nowadays, Italian-Americans are very mixed with Irish-Americans, and because of that, they often look whiter than Italians straight out of southern Italy, so it's easier for people to call Italians white people. A lot of half Lebanese Christian half Irish Catholic people are the same way, but they're not as common as Irish-Italian mixed people are.

I also know some Jewish-Americans who are shocked when people say they have Middle Eastern ancestry and believe that they are just Russians, Poles, Ukrainians, Germans, Austrians, Lithuanians, etc with a Jewish religion. Yet, when people describe stereotypical Jewish features, they sound a lot more Middle Eastern than Slavic or Germanic (thick, dark, and curly hair; prominent noses, bigger eyes, etc) and you can totally place Zelensky anywhere in the Middle East from Turkey to Afghanistan without anyone noticing he isn't a local.[/quote]

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