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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm not second guessing how these women reacted to be robbed at machete blade and one being dragged away. No one can say how they would react in that situation. I would like to think I would fight my hardest to avoid being dragged off or to stop a man from dragging my friend off. I'm going to have a talk with my hiking buddy and find out if she's willing to risk her life to save mine. I'd like to believe I would risk mine to save her.[/quote]

When this thread first appeared, those of who said pretty much the same thing-fight back, do not let yourself get taken off that path--had our posts removed. Evidently, you can't even tell women to fight back now. I have no doubt in my mind that that man would never have gotten me off that trail if it were me. [b]Of course, not blaming the victim, at all,[/b] but my husband and I have taught our teenage daughter how to defend herself and I know she would. With what the city is coming to, we have no choice.[/quote]

Yes you are.[/quote]

Do you believe in taking any safety precautions at all?[/quote]

Person responsible for the attack: the attacker
Person not responsible for the attack: the victim, no matter what safety precautions the victim may or may not have taken[/quote]

Just because there things to be learned from this tragic experience for that victim doesn't mean anybody is saying she is "responsible" for being attacked. I think it's right to remind people that there are measures one should take, as guys like this are not getting locked up and this isn't going to stop. As women, we have to stop them.[/quote]

As women, we get to make our own decisions about which measures we find effective and appropriate to take.

Also, when you make comments about things the women did that you think they shouldn't have done, or things they didn't do that you think they should have done, then you're blaming the victim(s).[/quote]

I understand that what you've written is the modern day twist to safety measures, but it's teaching young women to think that safety measures aren't important when they actually are. We can all appreciate that there are circumstances in which we may get hurt regardless of what we try to do, but that shouldn't mean that talking about safety equates to victim blaming. It doesn't.[/quote]

Correct. My dd is a runner and often runs alone. For a while she would not take any self-defense products on her runs, because ‘she should not have to because that’s not the world she wants to live in’. She now has changed her tune. If she got attacked, it’s 100% the attacker’s fault. [b]That does not negate that women can do a lot to deter an attack/attacker.[/b] They are not mutually exclusive.[/quote]

Women can do a lot to make themselves feel in control of a potential attack. Which is not the same thing.[/quote]

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