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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because [b]there aren't any promotions[/b] but that is a very generous starting salary.[/quote]

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.[/quote]

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic. [/quote]

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.  [/quote]

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.[/quote]

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing.  My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that.  That's great you get that but it’s not normal.[/quote]

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.[/quote]

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs.  In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's.  I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.[/quote]

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult. [/quote]

Alright, let's settle down.

To review, someone made the point that there are "no promotions" for teachers. I made the point that in other sectors where there are promotions, it's based on the subjective decision of a supervisor. It's often not totally "fair". Teachers' unions have explicitly opposed merit-based raises. Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't expect to be paid what you're worth, and also expect not to have your pay based on your performance. [/quote]

We expect our step increases to match our worth. Truly not that difficult to comprehend. [/quote]

But not every teacher has the same value.

I work in a "cushy office job", WFH three days a week, bathroom whenever I want, extremely flexible. Can be quite stressful, but overall I consider myself very lucky. I make $120k after 10 years. No pension so it's not quite as much more money than teachers as it might appear, but it is more (I am also being paid for more hours). But I got here by getting promoted by my boss. A coworker who started at the same time as I did in the same job never got promoted. He makes $65k.[/quote]

Yeah… hence the steps. That was a whole paragraph typed out just to tell us you didn’t read the PP’s comment. The step represents each year a teacher has been teaching… so yes… experience. Jesus[/quote]

Can you really not see the difference between compensating someone more purely on the basis of more years on the job, versus actual performance?[/quote]

It turns out it's not so easy to figure out how to evaluate teachers based on "actual performance".[/quote]

It’s really not easy to evaluate anyone on the basis of actual performance. [/quote]

+1 teachers don't want their compensation to be based on performance.

In this thread a few posters have acted like the fact that someone in a different profession makes more money than teachers is proof that teachers are underpaid. But people who make $120k for 6 months or $195k for 12 months have to be able to perform well, based on the subjective assessment of their supervisor (who promoted/hired and retained them at that level). It's not always fair but that is how you make more money than $80k after 10 years, which I agree is not enough.[/quote]

I'm the person who posted about $120k for six months..There is NO subjective assessment. It has nothing to do with performance. It is the salary set forth in the contract. In general, I'm in an entirely different field and "subjective assessments"? Also, not a thing. It isn't 1986. [/quote]

What do you think subjective assessment means that it only happened decades ago? I am so curious.

Also, you clearly don't want to share more details about how the $120k for six months happens but I can tell you it doesn't happen by starting a job straight out of school and getting automatic raises for X number of years.[/quote]

You’re an adult- I don’t need to explain it to you. You have resources at your fingertips. Hell, kids out of high school make over 100k for 6 months a year. There are many contracted jobs that pay well. It’s not like it’s a secret. Use your brain.[/quote]

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