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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I am confused about the data on here.  Kid has perfect 4.0 unweighted (so that would mean all A’s) and a ton of AP classes if weighted GPA is a 4.7. From a good Montgomery County school. And test scores are 1570, with good extra curriculars (I am going to take that to mean a leadership position and long term involvement in some activity).

And the OOS and In-state admit rates are about 10% difference (40% and 30% roughly).  Wouldn’t this kid have a decent shot?   There are posters who said kids got in with a 1360 SAT and another with a C.

I understand ED would be a surer bet, instate is better, and the kid needs to demonstrate interest, but wouldn’t RD at least be considered a match?[/quote]

I understood the public schools give a 4 for a B in an advanced class. So not necessarily straight As. I know, those of us with unweighted scores don’t get this. That is not straight a stats, right OP?[/quote]

I'm OP. Yes, straight As from MCPS school.[/quote]

This is just personal observation, but it seems like WM takes so many kids from NOVA publics and has so few OOS slots that they have higher standards from DC-MD kids than kids from other areas of the country. It’s like they don’t want to be a DMV majority/ regional school, and the NOVA part of that equation is not negotiable. They want to be a national U, so regional diversity plays a role.  So a NY or CA  (or Midwest!) kid may be more attractive than a MoCo kid.  I don’t have numbers to back that up, but it tracks with what I’ve seen.

Remember, a WM class is 1600-1700 kids. Last year, they took 66 kids from MD. The whole state, not just MoCo.

https://www.wm.edu/admission/undergraduateadmission/facts-figures/class-profile/[/quote]

This makes sense to me (unforunately, as an MCPS parent). [b]OP's stats seem good enough for OOS RD[/b] ... but maybe not from Maryland. Maybe yes from other less represented states. Ugh.[/quote]

They are certainly good enough, but just like those stats are good enough for Harvard, that doesn't mean that the student will get in.  There is just a lot of competition, so there is a certain element of luck involved.[/quote]

This. It’s a teach still. And OP has et mentioned whether or not the most rigorous box will be checked off. Also I’m not seeing stellar EVs. W&am likes to see a well-rounded applicant so looks for community service, Eagle Scout, national awards etc. grapes and Sat/Act don’t cut it alone.[/quote]

[b]Let’s not go overboard here. Most kids anywhere do not have Eagle Scout and National level awards, and they certainly are not necessary to gain admittance at W&M or at UVA, both excellent schools. Agree that being well rounded is a good thing but that can mean being a strong student plus … enjoying running and spending a lot of time babysitting … or being on the swim team and enjoying reading … or yes it can mean national science award winner … or a million [/b]variations.

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OP said "not amazing ECs" which probably means zero.  W&M wants to see stellar ECs. Period. You can be contrary all you want, but that's what they want to see.[/quote]

I'll tell that to the numerous kids we know who are current students (first through last years) who were fine students in HS and did typical, not even close to amazing/stellar, ECs (unless you consider marching band/and chorus stellar ECs). [/quote]

4 years of band in HS (more like 8-9 on the same instrument unusually), plus private lessons (many UMC kids take these), plus Marching Band, which is 40 hours a week in August and then 20+ and a commitment 1 or both days of most weekends, plus a band leadership position, plus maybe all district or even all state, plus maybe pep band or pit orchestra for drama, etc, etc.  “Band” can add up. It may not be a “stellar,” but band can be a “solid” or even “impressive” EC.  My kid got into WM with the primary EC of band with the above profile (district band, section leader). [/quote]

I am the PP you are responding to, and I wasn’t knocking band per se (my own kids do band so I am aware of everything you named - but they primarily do band in school so plenty of kids don’t do all of the added pieces you named). My kids also respectively do drama and rowihg, which are also high time commitments but I would not call “stellar ECs” nor would I call most kids’ experiences with band a “stellar EC,”  which is what the first poster said is necessary for W&M. That just isn’t true and is misleading and stressful for parents reading these posts. As I said, it is good to be well rounded, but “stellar ECs” are the exception not the norm. [/quote]

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