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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I ride a bike and drive a car. I have no problem with holding bikers and motorists to the same obligations to obey all traffic signs regardless if on a bike or a car. That makes both safer. How can anyone argue that it is safer for bikers to be able to run stop signs?  Again, love cycling but this is just common sense to me. [/quote]

Driver here and I agree with you.  Current laws allow bikers to act like a vehicle or a pedestrian when it suits them.  Treat them like cars, including enforcing stops.[/quote]

[b]Once cars are treated like cars[/b], then bikes can be treated like cars. You assume cars actually follow the laws too. They don't.[/quote]

...what do you think cars are treated like now?[/quote]

Like saints.  You all have "accidents" when you negligently smash your cars into people and property.  You are excused from most fault if you just inform police that "that pedestrian came out of nowhere!" like we're some kind of wormhole travelling magicians.

Drivers aren't asking for real increased enforcement, they're asking for increased enforcement against those they don't like or who inconvenience them.[/quote]

You realize that roads were built for cars, right?[/quote]
Actually, the L'Enfant Plan designed DC streets for accommodating horse drawn carriages. The first cars adopted the chassis of horse drawn carriages with the addition of a motorized drivetrain. That’s why they were initially called “horseless carriages”. [/quote]

Thanks bud.[/quote]

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