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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Not reading all the comments but it’s worse when an acceptance of the abuse and a refusal to report abuse is tied to God—to your membership in the only community you have ever known, to going to heaven (and for Mormons that means being with your family after you die), and sometimes keeping your job (if you work for the church or BYU).

I was never in a situation involving but I did some messed up things to myself and others because I was brainwashed into thinking I had to. Like I believed that my depression was my fault and instead of getting out of bad situations I felt like a terrible person, things like that. It’s the same concept with abuse, your gut might tell you to report but you have handed over your idea of right and wrong to the institution, so you just do what the institution tells you to do. [/quote]

I’m sorry for your situation. Some religions do tell you to fix your own mental issues, and that’s wrong.

To me it’s morally worse, though, when a small boy is lured into a pedophile situation by an atheist group like NAMBLA or Dawkins thinking “mild” pedophelia is acceptable (apparently Dawkins’ teachers groped him in boarding school and he thinks that was ok). To me, this is on the same level as pedo priests—worse, even, because NAMBLA is an organization with the sole purpose of promoting pedophelia. [/quote]

I don’t mean worse as a moral matter, I mean worse in terms of potential for  abuse. [/quote]

Nice backpedaling. We can all read your defense of religious sexual abusers ourselves, thanks. [/quote]

No, I’m the PP who said that sexual abuse is worse in a religious institution because there is greater potential for abuse and coverup. I was trying to distinguish between that and the heinousness of any particular instance of abuse. I definitely agree that a group of atheists luring young boys in to abuse then is as bad as priests doing the same; the difference is that with a religious you have an entire organization that includes family members, mentors, community members, etc who abusers can exploit into being complicit because of the power the institution  has over them.

And yeah, anybody who said there are atheist organizations with as much power and control over the Mormon church, much less the Catholic Church, probably doesn’t understand the extent of the power of these organizations. 
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The National American Man-Boy Love Association, started by a prominent atheist, is a whole organization and community with power they exploit over young boys. In fact, unlike the church, exploiting power over young boys is the entire mission of NAMBLA. [/quote]

The Christian Faith, started by a prominent person who told people they were the son of God, is a whole organization and community with power they exploit over young boys. In fact, unlike atheism, exploiting power over young boys is the entire mission of a huge number of priests within the church.[/quote]

Huge number? About 3,000 priests worldwide have been investigated for sexual abuse. Today there are 415,000 priests worldwide, and obviously that number is higher if you include priests who were in parishes going back to the 1950s when some of these 3,000 cases happened.

You do the math.

Don’t twist my words; even 3,000 is horrific and way too much.

But in terms of percentages of each group, this actually seems like a smaller share than the number of prominent atheists with sexual abuse issues. Like Silverman, Thorstad, Harris defending the physicist, or Richard “a little pedophilia isn’t bad” Dawkins. [/quote]

What? They don’t like math in church either?

The scale is orders of magnitude worse than whatever you accuse gross azz nambla of doing.

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/13/1117362904/southern...doj-investigation-sexual-abuse

An independent inquiry on Tuesday said it had concluded there were about 216,000 victims of sexual abuse carried out by the French Catholic Church’s clergy between 1950 and 2020.://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp...x-abuse-in-the-catholic-church

In total, 150,000 children from Canada's First Nations tribes were placed in 139 schools run under government contract — most by the Catholic Church — over a 150-year period.

A 2015 Truth and Reconciliation Commission report prompted by the harrowing tales of survivors concluded that "[children] were abused, physically and sexually, and they died in the schools in numbers that would not have been tolerated in any school system anywhere in the country.":https://www.npr.org/2022/07/25/1113498723/pope-fra...al-schools-indigenous-children

Or 30,000 children in Ireland: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/w...lic-schools-child-abuse-claims

Or here’s 1000 more: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/14/us/catholic-church-sex-abuse-pennsylvania.html

It seems like whatever bullsht numbers you have pulled from your ass pale in comparison to the molestation from the worlds biggest offender, organized religion.[/quote]

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