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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Even though the 52 year old is reported to weigh 250 pounds, it is a pot-bellied, fairly flabby, out-of-shape 250 pounds.

Hopefully, there is audio tape to accompany the video tape. What if the group was shouting "child molester" at the man while he was being pushed back down into the water and, seemingly,not being allowed to leave ?

I keep wondering who really instigated and escalated and continued to escalate this encounter. Sure does not appear that the 17 year old and the others in their twenties were afraid or willing to walk away.[/quote]

Reports issued *by the police* say that the video shows he had ample time to leave, and several windows of time to do so.[/quote]

At what point did the man have an opportunity to leave ? Was he under any duty to leave ?
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What a great question. According to a defense attorney who successfully represented a client who was fully acquitted of a self-defense stabbing, YES, he had a duty to leave:

[b]"The most notable thing, in my opinion, is there are several references [in the criminal complaint] to 'route of egress,' or his ability to flee the situation," Nelson said.

According to the criminal complaint, video evidence "shows opportunity for Miu to leave the confrontation."

Nelson said Wisconsin essentially has a duty for someone to retreat, if possible, before using deadly force.[/b]

There is another detail that would hurt a self-defense claim.

A woman involved in the confrontation told police "what started the physical assault was Miu punched the woman."

"You can't claim self-defense if you're the first aggressor or you're engaged in unlawful conduct that provokes another to assault you," Nelson said.

That punch is apparently not caught on the bystander video, which is not publicly available.

Nelson predicts it will be a complicated trial.

https://www.kare11.com/article/news/crime/does-the-apple-river-stabbing-suspect-nick-miu-have-strong-self-defense-claim/89-616bef7d-f10e-442e-898e-0b239bb49b84[/quote]

I dont understand laws that say you have to wait to be hit.  Or wait til intruders on your porch enter your home. Angry groups are scary. So are threatening burglars.[/quote]

Do you not get that those paragraphs are the WORDS OF A DEFENSE ATTORNEY from the news story linked below? Honey, *I* didn't say anything!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: [/quote]

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