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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'll bite. You sent your child to school with a $250 co2 monitor that doesn't give you the results in real time, or sound an alarm if the co2 level is too high..... why? What is the specific outcome you are looking for?[/quote]

They provide real-time data.  ?

We (including DD"s teacher) wanted to ensure that the room had adequate ventilation/fresh air.

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So once you have data that says the co2 is too high, you do what? Call from your office and ask the teacher to open a window?[/quote]

My kid was monitoring and gave updates to the teacher and me - the teacher who would have opened the window more or maybe added another air cleaner. [/quote]

I hope you paid for the air cleaner.   I don’t get why you think a cheap air cleaner is the solution.   Good luck with that.   You sound annoying.  If you are ok sending your child in person stop complaining about it bb[/quote]

Because they are smart and know covid is airborne. Any extra ventilation improves the indoor air to lessen the exposure to covid.  
The only person complaining is you. [/quote]

I'm not complaining but its gross to monitor the air, complain to the teacher and expect the teacher to purchase more air cleaners and filters.  If you were so concerned about covid, you would homeschool or do VA.[/quote]

You keep showing up with these wild accusations about things allegedly done by people who use air quality monitors…that no one here has said that they’ve done. Why is that?[/quote]

You're talking to multiple different people. I know this because I'm one of them. But not that one. What you're doing is weird  and hypervigilant. Monitoring the air in your own home is fine. Monitoring the air in school is crazy. If you don't trust the air quality,  send your kid to a small private and leave the teachers alone. They have enough stress without you forcing yours on them.[/quote]

This, seriously.  It is completely bizarre.  Kids are sitting in desks not spaced out.  They are hugging, sitting right next to each other, etc.  Air Quality is nice but given how close they are, they will catch it  given how infectious the new variant is.  Teachers have enough to worry about.  This is truly bizarre and you should get your mental health checked if you are minimizing how serious covid is and hiding behind  things like air quality.

It will take multiple layers of mitigation from better air quality to distancing to masking to testing.  Either you are part of the problem or solution but  just worrying about air quality  is giving you a  false sense of  security.

And, there  have been studies about the windows opening putting students at risk as then the covid is blown to the  kids nearest  the windows.[/quote]

Um multiple layers includes indoor air quality.  That's why school systems across the country have CO2 monitors in every classroom.  The idiot who thinks the CO2 monitor belongs at home flunked science.  CO2 monitors are most beneficial in shared public spaces.  The idea, for people that have brains, is to keep the CO2 levels low when the space is shared and when people including kids are in close contact.  It's science. It's how people keep from spreading COVID.  It's of course meaningless to the parents sending their kid to school to get them out of the house. [b]For the parents that want their child to be educated a CO2 monitor is a way to keep COVID from spreading so kids can continue to learn. [/b] [/quote]

How does it keep Covid from spreading? The kid asks the teacher to open a window, which may or may not happen? Compelling.[/quote]

Seems like it’s beyond your comprehension abilities. Sit back and don’t worry about it, honey. 
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So then enlighten us. What does the kid do with the information? What action does it result in?[/quote]

Already asked and answered. Try to keep up. Or not, if it’s just beyond you. 
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Opening windows is not the fix.  [/quote]

It’s one of many layers used to reduce transmission. You stupid?
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What is wrong with you?   What about kids with allergies?   There are issues with opening windows and air flow.  Lots of studies on it.  [/quote]

You are against.....opening windows?

GTFO, troll. 
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Are you the troll? Seriously, do you have any knowledge on the subject?  If we're going to have open windows all year, why bother with HVAC systems at all, it would be wasteful.  :roll: [/quote]

More knowledge than you.

It was the best way to provide adequate fresh air in a building with an old HVAC system -- it was just one of several layers our kid's school used to reduce transmission. I don't know if they plan to do it in the fall, but they certainly did last fall/winter/spring. It was a small price to pay to have kids in the classroom before vaccines.

Most school HVAC systems are crap. If the air isn't being replaced 5-6x per hour then you have poor air quality in general, not even just covid concerns.

If a school facilities crew can say that they have fresh air exchange, 5–6 air changes per hour, and CO2 <800 ppm then there would have been no need for teachers to monitor and take action. 
 
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DP.  Can you show me some evidence that opening the windows will improve the air exchange in a statistically significant way- specifically in comparison to the "old" and "newer" systems.  We had a parent at our school continually lobbying for open windows but one of the head facilities people in MCPS said it would work against the HVAC system.  We are at a newer school.  But it's hard to tell when people are lying and the parent advocate never shared anything beyond hand waving that open-windows-are-better so it was hard to know what to believe.[/quote]

I wish I could remember where I’d seen it, but I read a study where they found that open windows cause currents that in many cases actually drove the air in the room downward, or simply made it circulate around the room. It depends on room size, window placement, and both internal and external temperature and humidity. And in rooms where the HVAC was running, it threw the intended circulation patterns out of whack.

So yeah, throwing windows open isn’t the panacea people think it is.[/quote]

Yeah this would require a school-by-school, and sometimes even classroom-by-classroom, study.  Anyone who claims that opening windows would be definitely better OR worse is lying.  It's not that simple.[/quote]

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