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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Well, they do suck.[/quote]

My male friends say that men suck all the time. [/quote]

My male friends do too. They also say that women are crazy. There's a reason I mainly stick to talking sports with a lot of these guys. [/quote]

PP. Mine don’t say women are crazy. We do talk about sports a lot though. Went to a ball game with my friend on the weekend. There were a bunch of drunk hecklers behind us, throwing food and spilling beer everywhere. He kept apologizing to me for men being “such gross monkeys”. 
Lots of guys are over toxic male behavior. [/quote]

That's good to hear. I think men and boys getting the message that they also suffer from toxic masculinity, the patriarchy, etc. helps with this. Under our current patriarchal structures, a relatively small segment of men benefit from these toxic, aggressive behaviors. Most men and almost all women lose. [/quote]

That’s what I try to do! Like my son is short and gets teased for it. It’s awful. But I explain to him that this is one result of toxic masculinity. We have an idea about how the ideal man should be (tall, for instance) and men and boys who don’t conform to that are denied that little bit of male privilege. Plus being small is a trait associated with women, and we teach men that female traits are bad, so any trait in a man that gets close to something feminine is ridiculed.

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Women are worse at teasing short men than other guys are.  Ever try to be in the dating scene at a 5’7 guy?  You’ll get all sorts of insults.  I feel bad for my brother in law.  I’m 6’3 but my wife’s brother is 5’7 tops.  He works out to compensate but it doesn’t matter.  If your height begins with a 5 and you’re a guy have fun trying to score a girlfriend. [/quote]

Obviously I know this. Everyone who has lived in a patriarchal society has seen both men and women ridicule short men for their height. I am married to a guy who is 5’7, my brother is 5’6, and my dad is 5’6. They all got teased in school.

Here is the thing: [i]women have internalized Misogyny too. [b]You see this all the time, not just in height but in the way some are turned on by the idea of a man making a lot of money (🤢) the way some women are turned off by a man crying or being a SAHD, etc. This is why if patriarchy were to be gone, it would be better for everybody.

By the way your wife’s brother should compensate with a better personality instead of trying to get more muscles. Lots of muscles is what men think women want, not what most women want. [/quote]

No. It’s what women want. It’s not the patriarchal society. Also tall kids get teased just like short kids. [/quote]

No woman is going to go for a short guy with muscles over a short guy with a good personality. [/quote]

I think you have to say you will not go for that type of man but you can not talk for all women. Look at trump. You are repulsed by him but other women adore him. Look around you will see women and men you think are totally unattractive but are married. This is a preference thing not what the OP is talking about- his wife hate all men(but somehow does not include OP or their kids lol). [/quote]

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