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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Can someone explain the “if something can’t survive on its own then it is not a big deal to abort its life” philosophy to me? Do you apply the same rationale to newborns, elderly people, and severely disabled people?[/quote]

I’m not aware of any newborns, elderly people, or severely disabled people that need to be tethered to the bodily systems of another human being to survive. Some require organ transplants or blood infusions, but there is no law requiring their friends or family to give it to them.

Heck, in America, a corpse has more rights to its body than a pregnant woman.  [/quote]
It’s this.

PP who’s feigning stupidity, you know we can see through you, right? We cannot compel people to donate blood, pieces of liver, marrow or kidneys. We can’t even take perfectly good live-saving organs after death without the appropriate permission. But forced birthers want to compel women to stay pregnant, and as the Michigan GOP has demonstrated, they want to take away women’s ability not to get pregnant. [/quote]

Covid vaccine was developed using fetal cells from an abortion. What about that?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8205255/

This blows the whole “fetuses are not people!” argument away. If fetuses aren’t people, why are we using their cells to help people?

And we are using human cells without any consent; the pp that says she couldn’t use one, a single one, of her father’s cells to save her own life got that wrong. We are definitely using cells from aborted babies to save our lives. [/quote]

Wow.

Cells from an abortion belong to the mother. Consent was given by the person whose body produced the cells. This really doesn’t even warrant a response but I am feeling generous this morning.[/quote]

Why didn’t we just use the mother’s cells to develop the covid vaccine? Her body “produced “ these life saving cells?

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We did. You are the only person who doesn’t see that clearly.[/quote]

no, because we could not use the mother’s cells. we used the her cells and the father’s cells combined: the cells of their child. [/quote]

No, every cell in an embryo was created by the mothers body. The father only provided DNA. DNA is not a living cell. DNA are only the instructions.

If you don’t understand science that is ok but don’t act like you have some secret knowledge and everyone else is just ignorant.[/quote]

A fertilized sperm cell and egg cell combination is known as a zygote, and the singular cell will start to divide rapidly in the days following successful fertilization.

The whole process needs a sperm cell. We can’t create life without a sperm cell and egg cell combination. Why does the “we can’t use one cell w/o consent!” skip over that detail?

The father provided a sperm cell. Every cell in the embryo would not even exist w/o the sperm cell. [/quote]

A zygote consists of a single cell. That single cell was made by the body of the woman. The zygote was never a part of the man. Period. The first cell of an embryo does not exist independent of a womans body. The man gave “consent” when he provided his sperm to the female egg.

This is a completely absurd discussion![/quote]

First of all: you don’t decide when other people give consent. That’s really absurd. You must be extremely arrogant and stupid to determine when the rest of the wold gives their consent.

The embryo is not just a woman’s cell; it is the fathers’s cell also. The op tried to lie and say the father didn’t contribute any living cells to the baby; just dna. That’s false. The father and mother each contribute a living cell.

The cells from the mother and father combine to form a unique human baby-their child- and the cells the baby is compromised of are not the mother’s cells, either. They are living cells that belong to another completely different individual. That’s why vaccine manufacturers can’t use the cells of the mom to develop vaccines; they need the cells of her baby.

A zygote is a fertilized egg cell that results from the union of a female gamete (egg, or ovum) with a male gamete (sperm). Your definition of zygote is false. [/quote]

The zygote is a single cell. It is not the fathers cell. It cannot be split into two other cells. It is fundamental and cannot be divided. It is literally built from the proteins that a mothers body produced from food that the mother ate. The genetic code to build that was synthesized from a combination of the female and male DNA. It is a brand new “thing” that never existed outside of the mothers body. The father gave his consent for whatever happens to his sperm by choosing the time and place he decided to ejaculate.

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