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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If a fetus isn't born yet, it isn't a little baby, OP.[/quote]

Yes it is.

I have to call myself pro-choice, because I believe that abortions should be available to women under some circumstances (and I am also right on board with all the posters on this thread who have talked about education and readily available birth control as essential, not only to help reduce the number of abortions but also just for the health of every person who is/will be sexually active!), but I cannot see this issue as black and white or ever pretend that I support the idea that abortions taking place in all possible circumstances is okay.  I am the poster who said I cried when I read the stories of the women who had the terrible diagnoses and chose to abort.  I support their choice and their right to that choice, but that doesn't mean I don't find their stories to be tragic.  I get so sick and tired of other individuals who are pro-choice who hide behind this "well, it's not really a human being" or "it's not a person yet" argument.  An abortion kills an unborn child.  Yes, that term is inflammatory, and it should be.  Pro-choice can't dismiss this reality as a way to justify their arguments any more than pro-lifers can dismiss the realities of all the children in the foster care system, etc.  The argument about abortion is about the rights of the mother vs. the rights of the fetus, not about whether or not the embryo or fetus is a human being.  If you are pro-choice, then you believe that, at least in some circumstances, the rights of the mother outweigh those of the fetus.  If you are pro-life, you believe the rights of the fetus outweight those of the mother or, at the very least, that they have equal rights.  [/quote]

Sweetheart, pro-choicers use terms like "fetus" and "zygote" because they are [i]medically accurate[/i].  It's an attempt to avoid inflammatory rhetoric like "unborn baby" designed to tug on emotions.  Why on earth would you purposely use an inflammatory term in an already inflammatory debate?  Do you really want this issue to be decided by who can cover their ears and yell "LALALALALA" the loudest?

And you are completely bass-ackwards in your definitions of pro-choice and pro-life.  A pro-choicer believes that each woman should decide for herself whether her rights are outweighed by the fetus -- that is why you have pro-choicers who would never have an abortion themselves but would preserve that right for other women.  A pro-lifer believes that this choice should be made by the government in favor of the fetus.[/quote]

Not the PP but do you mind answering the question? when does the fetus become a child? In the case of this news report... when did that aborted fetus became a baby if ever?[/quote]

Sure -- no problem.  A fetus becomes a baby at birth.  And no, not because I think something magically happens at birth, but because I'm basing my terminology on accepted medical definitions, and that's what they use, so I'm going with it.

In the news report, the fetus became a baby after it exited the woman.  At that point, it was entitled to reasonable medical care, which it did not receive.  [/quote

so whats the difference between killing the baby in the womb and killing it outside of the womb? 
it didn't need medical care inside while it was alive but it needed outside after the attempt to kill it failed? that's kinda confusing...[/quote]

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