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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I wonder what percent of each group take private math courses?  I suspect the taking of private math courses correlates far more with 5s than does race.  [/quote]

You may be right, but not sure that matters. They're ignoring the details of the process like local morning which explains the delta that they're pointing to as evidence of rigging. I think they're just heavily vested in this narrative and are in heavy denial of reality.[/quote]
A Black student in a low FARMS school scores a 225 MAP-M that is locally normed to 80% and is not eligible for the lottery. A Black student in a high FARMS school gets a MAP-M 220 locally normed to the 90% and is eligible for the lottery. What makes that second student more deserving of the opportunity to be selected for enriched curriculum than the first?[/quote]

Yes, but cherry-picking these hypotheticals to suit your narrative is also meaningless. Actual data looks exactly like what they got because that was the outcome of this process. [/quote]
Huh? This is cherry picking nothing. This is pointing out how this process can lead to outcomes that don't make sense on the surface. As long as people understand and are happy with that, then fine. But you cannot waive away poor design just because. You seem very focused on gross numbers but less focused on real people. The reality is that MCPS could just release the data for transparency, but they won't. So all I can do is point out flaws in their own process.[/quote]

This example relies on a handful of assumptions that don't necessarily hold up.

[b]The first is that a 225 MAP-M in a wealthy school norms to 80th percentile while a 220 in a Title I school norms to a 90th percentile. We have no idea whether that gap is that large[/b], and a lot of anecdotal discussion on this board suggesting it is not. Anecdotally, the Title I "local norms" for MAP appear to roughly approximate the national norms, which are usually only one or two points below the MCPS average.

[b]The second assumption is that the two kids in your scenario are demographically identical[/b], and that race is the salient factor here. There is a lot of evidence that poverty is a bigger predictor of outcome than race, particularly in MCPS. So a rich Black kid and a poor Black kid are actually facing very different challenges. Both might be equally intelligent and capable of handling the workload, but the one coming from poverty ie experiencing an additional marginalization on top of race, and one that we know can often limit opportunity.

Finally, you are pretending that the MAP-M is the only criteria for placement. That's not true, and it should not be true. [/quote]
There would be no point in local norming if there was not a significant achievement gap. You are also engaged in speculation. MCPS can be transparent of course and we all know why it won't.[/quote]

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