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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The recent wave of crimes against Asians is the worst in the last thirty years as far as I remembered. Yet very few of these crimes are classified as hate crimes. I have yet to see an announcement from FBI that they are investing the massage shooting to find out if this is a hate crime.[/quote]

Aren’t there certain markers of hate crimes that need to be in evidence to classify? Are all crimes hate crimes?

In order to control public outrage, isn’t it better to say there is no evidence of a hate crime if it’s the truth? It doesn’t mean they won’t bring evidence to light if it’s found. [/quote]
You mean, it’s better for white audiences to hear that a white man doesn’t seem to have committed a racially motivated crime? Because that is not what Asian Americans and women want to hear.[/quote]

Not saying that. But why do groups *want* to hear their group is a target of something if the evidence isn’t there (yet)? I can’t understand that. [/quote]
Our society is totally obsessed by race.  That may be natural in any society with a long history of racism, but it also means we unconsciously forcing racial narratives when the evidence doesn't warrant it.  The only evidence we think we need is the race of the victims and that's that.[/quote]

The killer allegedly shouted something to the effect, “I am gonna kill Asians.”  This is from one of the witnesses. [/quote]
That is an uncorroborate report from a Korean newspaper.  Also, the narrative that this was racially motivated emerged before that Korean report.  The point is that we immediately jump to race as the primary motivator before the facts come out.  Most people on this are positive that this all about race.  Even those who may admit misogyny are ignoring  the very real connection among misogyny, sex addiction and mental health.  And who here even considered the class implications of low income sex workers forced into illegal activities to pay the rent while dealing with abusive men?  That's a story as old as Jack the Ripper, yet we are mostlt ignoring it.

Every story has multiple narratives.  But we prefer racial narratives to dominate over others whenever possible. [/quote]

Actually, Asian American advocates are clear that this is about race, gender, and class. Keep up.[/quote]
People say a lot of things, but the racial is narrative is clearly dominant.  I didn't say it was exclusive.  Also when I said "who here?" I meant on this thread.  Mostly posters are saying they were targetted for their race.  Very little discussion about violence against prostitutes.

I didn't even say it's wrong to focus on race.  I just think it's it important to notice when you are doing and the real reasons why.  But you all seem to have a lot of resistance to doing that kind of work.  Racial work is only for other people and only accepted when the "correct" conclusions are drawn.[/quote]

Yes, and according to you, Hitler was just having a bad day when he was at the end of the rope. According to you, you just need to see what Hitler had to say, that abhorring to H, he felt he needed to eliminate the problem because these people were.... (you fill in the blank). [/quote]
 :roll: I said nothing of the kind and neither did anyone else anywhere, ever.   [/quote]

Seems like you are dehumanizing the victims by giving voice to the killer. That’s been done before. Read Hanna Arendt, one of the greatest 20th century Jewish political philosophers whose lover was the great Nazi philosopher Martin Heidegger. She’ll tell you the horrible Nazi officers responsible for the atrocities were actually Ordinary Joes who worked 9-5 jobs - just like me and you. They had no particular motive or animosity for their actions. Hence the banality of evil. [/quote]
Again, I did nothing of the kind.

I read Hannah Arendt and lots of other people too.  Where does she say that discussing a killer's motivations dehumanizes the victims?  And if she does say that, who says I have to agree with it?  And if I did agree that the banality of evil applied to all Nazi soldiers, where does she say that it also applies to murderers who weren't paid to kill?  And what did Arendt say about the banality of Hitler himself?  I don't know the answer to that myself, if I read that I forgot it.  But her personal library did include Mein Kampf and biographies about Hitler, so presumably she thought it worth it to consider what he had to say.

https://hac.bard.edu/amor-mundi/hannah-arendt-collection-the-life-and-work-of-adolf-hitler-2015-04-24
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