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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=takoma]As to Lincoln's decision, though, we'll never know whether race relations would be better now if tha Confederacy had been allowed to stand and they had (presumably) given up slavery a couple of decades later.  I'm certainly not advocating (in retrospect) another generation of slavery, just saying that judgment of his decision to fight secession is complex.[/quote]
i agree
He started a civil war he could have avoided 
And everywhere else slavery was abolished peacefully.
History has just been made to look pretty

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Well let's take a look at that:

Haiti:  Revolution
Portugal: Banned by Monarch
Spain: Got kicked out of the New World
Germany:  Hitler defeated
France:  Slavery was abolished when Napoleon was defeated.
Denmark:  Banned by Monarch
Romania: Half peaceful legislation, half during the revolution of 1848
Ethiopia: Banned by conquering Italians
West Indies:  British legislation

To me, it looks like most abolition was accomplished either by revolution, imposed by a monarch, or the result of either a decree to a colony or the loss of a colony.  That doesn't exactly reinforce your point.

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