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Fascinating.

So, the best way to help Asian Americans who, as you say, have been subject to much injustice in the past...is to discriminate AGAINST them in college admissions?

This is beyond absurd. It's plain obscene.[/quote]

Again, many people are arguing based on an incorrect premise.

Racial balance in college admissions is not designed to hurt of help any one race.

Racial balance in college admissions is designed to help colleges better achieve their mission.

Past injustices, while horrible and possibly worthy of social correction, are completely irrelevant to this topic, and to insist they are indicates you do not understand.[/quote]

Well you can definitely count me in as a person who also finds it fascinating. I haven't heard a single reason - reasonable or otherwise - for such blatant discrimination yet.

What if I went through life, avoiding people of a certain race even when I have a lot of power over them and it really hurts them for me to do so, and then I just claimed, "oh it's not discrimination or illegal in the slightest, I just have a mission to not interact with people from x race, and that's what I'm doing." Would that be okay with you?

Saying that it's a "mission" is the exact same thing as saying "because I want to". It's not a reason. It's not a justification. It's not a defense against racism. Not when the stakes are so high here.[/quote]

You point is a great one -- but it works totally against your position.

[quote][i]What if I went through life, avoiding people of a certain race even when I have a lot of power over them and it really hurts them for me to do so, and then I just claimed, "oh it's not discrimination or illegal in the slightest, I just have a mission to not interact with people from x race, and that's what I'm doing." Would that be okay with you?[/i][/quote]

Its seems like you are arguing [b]for[/b] racial balance.

That's what colleges feel they need -- a balance of ALL races that reflects the population of the country so that students of all races can be comfortable and want to attend and the colleges can attract as many students as possible.

It's not racism because it benefits all races, ([b]such as an Asian applicant at Notre Dame[/b]  or Grinnell, a black student at Harvard or Middlebury a white student at Spelman or Morehouse) even though it may make it harder for certain students at certain schools.  [/quote]
You've made this claim a couple of times now, so I'm sure you have proof the way we have proof of preferential admissions for black applicants to Harvard, right?[/quote]

You know the only college there is that kind of data for is Harvard, right?  Because that is the only college that was sued?

Since you ask, yes, I do:

https://www.amazon.com/Shape-River-William-G-Bowen/dp/0691050198 is a great source and something you should read.  It is the definitive volume on the topic.

Also, consider the terms "URM" (under-represented minority) and "ORM" (Over-represented minority).  The fact that these terms exist, and are used by college admissions departments in decisions, let you know the facts, and all you have to do is look for colleges where the representation of the race is under the societal percentage.

If you choose to respond, please answer this question:

Do you think that most competitive colleges are seeking racial balance in their cohort?
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Thomas Sowell should be required reading for any liberal dems.

https://youtu.be/eUbOcgj8AjQ[/quote]

WTF does liberal vs conservative have to do with this?  I'll tell you: nothing.

To repeat (assuming you are the PP)

If you choose to respond, please answer this question:

[b]Do you think that most competitive colleges are seeking racial balance in their cohort?[/b][/quote]

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