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I'd like to see the stats for Europe and the UK.

Canadian and US doctors receive the same training and the degrees are mutually recognized, so not the best example for this. [/quote]

How does that not make them a good example for how to run universal healthcare access well?

Granted, it's not a good example if you are looking for a particular negative result, but I am assuming that is not what you are doing.

[quote]It is an absolute fact that countries with universal care ration it to those with low chances of survival or for whom very expensive medical treatments pay off with just a few months of extra life.  otherwise they simply wouldn't be able to pay for it. [/quote]

I'm not convinced that is bad policy. If survival rate is very low and side effects and trauma from treatment are high, it may not be a good idea to throw everything and the kitchen sink in. Have you ever read the article titled something like "How Doctors Die?" It's not by exhausting extreme measures -- not for most who actually live int he healthcare field.

[quote]You are being disingenuous to suggest otherwise--there is no nirvana country that provides all the sort of care you can get in the US with decent insurance free to all its citizens.[/quote]

Never said or suggested that. I did take to task the entirely false claim that in systems with universal coverage, premature babies were just left to die and people in their 80s were never offered heart bypass procedures. Because that is flat-out wrong and should be corrected (and should not be posted again).

[quote]As long as we are talking about Canada, perhaps we can discuss how they and the UK have lowest number of MRI machines per capita in the industrial world and how it can take months to get an MRI for even suspected cancer.  That is why Buffalo NY has such a thriving business in MRI radiology for Canadians who pay out of pocket to get one quickly by crossing the border.
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Sure, we can talk details about Canada. We can talk about limited MRI slots, too -- but are you willing to discuss how they manage to get better outcomes with fewer MRIs, or are you more interested in number of machines than actual survival data?[/quote]

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