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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][b]The better indicator is probably in-state acceptance rate[/b], which averaged about 45% from 2005-2017 and never dropped below 40%, but hit 38.4% in 2018.  So UVA is now at a historically low level, and rates in Nova are also lower.  Virginia Tech has never been below 60% in-state admission rate in that period, but is also trending down at 60.2% in 2018.  With VT, engineering and the rest of the university diverge in selectivity.   W&M averaged about 43% from 2005-2017 and had sub 40% admissions rates in 2009 and 2010, but was at 45% in 2018, so is still selective, but not trending down.[/quote]
Why would the in-state acceptance rate be a good (or better) indicator? For what? It's merely a reflection of how many applicants the school gets, and not of how difficult it is to get in.
We know VA high school graduates are declining, we know now in-state acceptances and attendances are not declining (in fact slightly increasing); so the obvious conclusion is that overall that the top public VA schools (UVA, W&M, VT) have not gotten more, but less selective at least as far as VA residents are concerned.

The number of applications they get is probably just a factor of how much self-selection is taking place but doesn't reflect the true selectiveness of these in-state schools.[/quote]

Well, I did say better, not good.  Rising GPAs aren't necessarily meaningful due to grade inflation in high school, which is highest in the most affluent schools.  In-state acceptance rate is more meaningful than overall acceptance rate (OOS + in-state) for an in-state applicant for obvious reasons.  A lot of people cite overall acceptance rate for UVA on this board, but it doesn't apply to most of them and OOS has a very different dynamic and cost structure (which leads to pretty low yield).  In-state admission rates have [b]declined to below 40% for UVA very recently[/b], which is historically low.  This could of course be due to more unqualified kids applying (which means it isn't reflective of actual selectivity), but it might not be as well.  I agree with you that overall colleges are becoming less selective due to the demographic changes.  [/quote]

I'm talking about 2019/  24% acceptance rate at UVA.  You have to keep on top of the publics because parents are realizing they can't afford $80 a year for private and more than half of our students take five years to graduate.  Here:  https://news.virginia.edu/content/wahoowa-uva-releases-admissions-decisions

[b]Incorrect. You've got everything backwards. UVA received a record of 40,000+ applications this year and only 23.6% of in-state students got in.[/b]  Internationals and OOS are on the rise (even as UCLA and Berkeley block at 20%).  Things are changing very fast at public universities.  The GPA, SAT and ACT scores jump every single year at UVA.  Last fall the median 75th percentile GPA of an ENTERING (not accepted statistics which are even higher statistics) student was a  4.48  meaning 12.5% had a higher GPA and the next 12.5% had a GPA somewhat below a 4.48.  Median ACT score for top 75th percentile of entering students was an astounding 34. And a 1480 SAT.  Even the bottom 25th percentile had a 4.16 GPA.  So, yes, you had better be in at least the top 10% of your high school class or there is no point in applying.http://research.schev.edu/enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp.  You can talk grade inflation and SAT inflation until you are blue in the fact but the plain fact is that it is very difficult to get into UVA, especially from NOVA, and especially if you don't have a hook.  You have to have the very best scores possible.[/quote]

No, I was right.  You need to check your facts.  In-state admission rate was not 23.6%.  Preliminary in-state was 36% and as I indicated, has only very recently dropped below 40% as you can see on SCHEV site.   About 71% of applicants are from OOS.   You also misstate what 75th percentile is.  It means 75% of the population are at or below that metric and 25% are above.

I am not the person who was arguing that UVA or some other schools are getting less selective.  That was someone else.  But I do agree with them that overall, the number of applicants is declining and there is significant inflation in numbers like high school GPA.

https://admission.virginia.edu/unofficial-admission-statistics-uva-class-2023
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You need to use newer stats.  Everything is a sea change in college admissions.  Yes, UVA had 41,000+ applications this year and a 24% acceptance rate. Minority applications were way up.  Why can't you be proud of what your in-state flagship is doing?  https://news.virginia.edu/content/wahoowa-uva-releases-admissions-decisions[/quote]

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