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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The study controls for a number of key factors: SES and school related. Do you have evidence that leads to different conclusions?  “You can’t control for everything,” doesn’t advance the discussion very much. [/quote]

Why, yes it does.  The null hypothesis is “nothing can be concluded”.  That’s science.  
[b]Much education research, precisely because you can’t control for everything,[/b] is very very overblown and should be treated with major skepticism.

You see the problem here in this thread.
People are talking about how to organize schools.  
Then someone comes in with “research”.  Boom!  Listen to this great “research”.  
The whole discussion shifts and the study is assumed to be true.

But it’s a shoddy study- not because the authors are bad but because of the limitations of the entire methodology.
It’s observational and there are ton of endogenous factors that are frankly IMPOSSIBLE to control for.

Take the study perhaps as a guideline.  But let’s be clear that it’s not some sort of gospel, and that the actual experience of teachers and parents is as valid, if not more valid.
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Researcher here.  You can never control for everything in any field, whether it's education, economics, medicine, etc.  You control for the things that you have reason to believe has an association with the variables under study, if they are measurable.  But you can never control for everything.[/quote]

Also, I agree with you that we can't take this one study in isolation as proof that integrated schools help close the achievement gap for minority students.  However, this association has been replicated by multiple authors.[/quote]

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