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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The entire point of Christianity is relationship with Jesus.  Everything- good works, salvation, heaven, flows through that.  It is not just some abstract concept of belief.[/quote]

iow -- get a relationship with Jesus, goddammit, if you ever expect to get to heaven.[/quote]

Well, if you don’t want to have a relationship with Jesus, you don’t have to.  “Heaven,” is not really the goal, relationship with Jesus is.  Heaven is only MORE relationship with Jesus, forever and ever.

So if you are not Christian, there is no reason for you to WANT Christian heaven.  We don’t know what the alternative is.  We assume “Hell” is a place of eternal suffering, but I don’t see a solid Biblical description of what that means.  In the Bible “death” and “Hell” are sort of used interchangeably.  Perhaps if you don’t believe, you die, and that is the end of the story.[/quote]

But the point is that, according to Christian doctrine, if you don't accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, you are not going to have as enjoyable of an afterlife as those who do. Communion with God is supposed to be better than being distant from God.

You can be a non-Christian and not care about Christian heaven, but if Christians are right, your afterlife will be worse than those who accepted Jesus, whether you think you care about Christian heaven or not. [/quote]

No- according to Christians, if you do not have a relationship with Jesus, EVERY moment of your existence will be worse- from this exact moment until the end of eternity.  Heaven is communion with Jesus- the better your relationship with Jesus in this exact moment, the better your present will be.  You can have heaven on Earth if you truly want it.  Whether you are dead or not is largely irrelevant.  Jesus is alive, right now, and if you reject him, you are automatically worse off than you would be if you had a relationship with him.  That is how I was taught about Christianity.[/quote]

You are automatically worse off because you judge others. [/quote]

I’m not judging; I’m explaining a point of doctrine and you are seemingly desperate to read judgement into it.

If I said “everyone would be better off with an extra 100k of savings,” is that a judgement on people who don’t save?  Or simply a statement of what I believe would be good?  Is saying “vegetables are a healthy food” a judgement on people who hate vegetables?  No.  I don’t particularly care what you do.[/quote]

Saying... "they bible says X is a sin" is "explaining doctrine" (as you understand it, since you did not interpret it from it's original text).

Saying... people go to Hell or don't go to heaven because of "your understanding of the bible" is judgement. [/quote]

Where did I say anybody was “going to Hell?” It’s not my call to make! Jesus makes life better- that is Christianity as I know it.  If you disagree, move along.  Fixating on whether some religion you don’t believe in considers you doomed is unhealthy.[/quote]

Yes you do. You mention how to get to heaven and salvation throughout your post.

Funny how badly it will go down for you when judgement day comes for you.[/quote]

Please bold where I say anyone is going to “hell.”  That can’t be too hard, can it?[/quote]

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