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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Still not explaining declining selectivity and presumable the conservatory numbers have been constant over time so numbers are declining on both fronts[/quote]

Because they have been shown to not be declining.  But you refuse to accept.

http://www2.oberlin.edu/instres/irhome/admissions.pdf

You'll see the numbers are within a fixed range over time.

You "alternative facts" people should learn that saying a lie over and over does not make it any more true.  [/quote]

No alternative facts - just the CDS.  From 2014 o 2018, admitted student % rose by about 4%.  You can back out the conservatory if you want to, but I suspect that would make the yield look even worse, as the yield experienced about a 5% drop over the same period.

Again, it is just a data point and does not necessarily reflect on whether Oberlin is or was a good school.  Just something to consider.[/quote]

Yes, alternative facts. You neglect to look at all the data, and you omit the years during that stretch where both those numbers improved.

2015 admit rate DOWN 5% from 2014
2017 yield UP 5% from 2016

Alternative facts.  And dishonest and not representative of the actual data.
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2014 Admit rate 32%, 2018 36%.   2014 yield 32%, 2018 28%.  These are Oberlin's numbers.  2018 was the most recent on there and I went 5 years back.  36% admit rate is about double/near triple the quality SLACs.[/quote]

No, you didn't "go" five years back, you cherry picked two numbers which go up and down every year, as the pdf linked shows.

If you had gone back to 2000 you would have  a 10% reduction!

You imply it declined over that period 2014-2018. IT DID NOT. It went up and down within a range which is probably within the standard deviation for a longer time period.[/quote]

DP . You can quibble back and forth about the numbers and the years but [b]the takeaway is that with a roughly 30% admit rate, Oberlin isn't nearly as selective as top ranked LACs. [/b] [/quote]

What?  By your logic, you should be sending your kids to Walmart, as Walmart at below 3% beats elite schools hands down:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/03/28/wal-mart-has-a-lower-acceptance-rate-than-harvard/?utm_term=.6685afa68f6a[/quote]

Now you’re just being stupid.....not a great representative of the critical thinking skills an oberlin education produces.[/quote]

Selectivity is a function of how many people a school can get to apply and its admit/rejection rate.  It's an area that can be gamed easily.  Simply mass mail all HS students in the USA, entice them with the possibility of free tuition, get as many to apply as possible - and reject them.  Swarthmore is famous at this tactic.  Stupid is you who can't read between the lines and believe US New is "news."  [/quote]

Sure, there’s no correlation between selectivity and academic quality.....uh huh.[/quote]

St. John's College admit rate is approximately 70%  Those in the know know the rigor of this school.

UChicago used to be approximately 40-50% admit rate just 15-20 years ago.  They brought it down to what it is now with a PR campaign funded by huge $$$$.  UChicago's academics has not changed over the years, even when it used to accept 40-50% of applicants.

If you still have the urge to chase "selectivity," go right ahead and send your kids off to Wal-mart.  Wal-mart is 3-4x more selective than Harvard.[/quote]

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