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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Once again, the curiously ignorant reaction by a small vocal group in the progressive movement has demonstrated how incompatible their ideas and goals are with the principles that has made this country great.[/quote]

Please show me in the US Constitution where the United States of America is a Christian nation.[/quote]

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the truth is several of the Founding Fathers were NOT believers[/quote]

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religion has ZERO place in government 
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A number of the original states had established churches in their constitution at the time of the founding which enforced religious taxes on their populations which continued until the 1830's.  Laws prohibiting certain religious groups from holding office continued through the first half of the 19th century.

[b]The 1st amendment establishment clause was there because of those established churches[/b], which were an outgrowth of several colonies originally being religous colonies.  Setting one particular church up as the national established church would have caused considerable problems in the late 18th century.

I'm amazed that people don't remember this from history class.

You can certainly make an argument that the national government was not a Christian government, but the fact is that several of the States were religious governments.  You would have to note, that the social and cultural norms of the United States have been and still are Christian.[/quote]

It's not very Christian to demonize poor people trying to come here for a better life. Nor was it very Christian to enslave people and then make them third class citizens for a hundred years.  You'll have to call those "norms" something else besides Christian.

I'm amazed you don't remember these things from history class.[/quote]

I abhor slavery, but you need to look at the historical context.

Why do you consider slavery to be incompatible with Christianity? Clearly if you remembered your history classes, you would know the exact biblical passages that southerners used to defend the institution.

You might also remember that not once does Jesus denounce the institution, namely because he wasn't concerned with making this world better, but saving people for the next.

The new and old testiment aren't anti-slavery.  In fact, slaves are told to obey their masters as they would Christ.  Slaves were considered to be free "spiritually", but not free under the law.

You also need to read the biblical passages on nations, it's not quite what you think it is.

Unlike many "Christians" who believe in "Hippie Jesus", I've actually read the bible.   It's rather strange that many supposed christians haven't.[/quote]

So just what is it about Matthew 7:12 or Luke 6:31 that you think is compatible with slavery?  Really, really curious.

signed -- a Catholic school graduate. [/quote]

I see those as in alignment with Ephesians 6:5. Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.[/quote]

Wow, you really need to get to a bible class to discuss interpreting the Gospels.

Why do see those passages as only addressing the slave and not the slavemaster?  Don't slavemasters need to ask themselves, "Would I want to be a slave? Would I want my children sold from me? Would I want to be beaten and whipped and never be paid for the hard labor I did?"

Explain why slavemasters do not have to answer Jesus's command to treat everyone as they want to be treated.

Jesus says nothing in those passages about obeying. However, if you want to obey him, you'd darn well better treat others the way you want to be treated.  Or are you saying slave owners wanted to be treated as slaves? Slave owners wanted to be whipped?  Slave owners wanted their freedom and property held from them?[/quote]

As I said earlier, Jesus never once condemns slavery.  That doesn't mean He endorsed it either.

[b]If He had considered it to be a sin as an institution, He would have said so.[/b] Rather Jesus often used stories of slaves in parables.  He used them to teach people to live holy lives rather than to decry the institution.  Rather Jesus was teaching than in Him there is no slave nor free.

Since Paul preached the whole council of God, and many of the Old Testament biblical figures favored by God held slaves, no man can call the institution a sin, as abhorent as we may find it to be today.

You're whole argument is a strawman.[/quote]

Just like he did with abortion? Oh there's a convenient argument! LOL.  I'm glad at least you don't find abortion to be a sin.

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