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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Not jealous. I never understand this reaction. We’re not jealous, we think you are subservient to the male patriarchy and holding women back from upwards mobility and independence.

Oh, and I’m not fat either. Even if I was, it’s funny you think I’m angry and fat in order to not really admire at all women whom uphold traditional gender stereotypes.

I’m not letting it go. You represent second class citizens happy to be subservient to men’s ambitions and dreams. You’re asolutely pathetic as role models to young women.

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Girl, that was an angry post, whether you want to admit it or not. You need to learn to respect other women's choices. [/quote]

I don’t respect most women who choose to SAH. Many WAHM don’t. We don’t talk about it openly. We pretend, but it’s there. It’s the divide amongst women. Those of us driving gender equality in the workplace don’t for a minute understand your choice. You, SAH, you think we’d all choose your path in life if only we landed a rich husband.

You, who decimated the ambition of your youth to kowtow to a man’s ambition. No, you don’t deserve my respect as someone championing forward better choices for women. You exude privledge living a social lobotomy of your former self. [/quote]

You have issues. Therapy. Seek some.[/quote]

I’m happy. Do not need therapy to state a truth, I’ve observed. Many women stop personal achievements to raise kids. Their DHs don’t. If it’s equal work, why aren’t the men leaving the workforce. Because it’s not equal. Fact, you aren’t earning the money honey. Your DH got that factoid and its why he’s busy at a career, forgets your birthday and we all know the score. You as a woman decided to take a second seat. If it were a desirable first class chair in life, men would be doing women’s work.[/quote]

In my experience, 90% of men in challenging careers are not there for the “personal achievement” and self-actualization. Those men are there for the money to take care of the families. They aren’t particularity happy working. Occasionally you run into men who would do exactly what they are currently doing no matter what. You may be similar to that latter group of men, but you’re painting with a broad brush.

As for why men don’t stay home, women play a part in that as well: women, unlike men, have a harder time being attracted to potential partners who are not career oriented. Yes, there is a small subset of women who would marry and stay with men who are less ambitious than they are, but men who would prefer not to work have a real hard time finding and keeping a partner. Hell, these boards frequently feature posts from women who are frustrated by their husband’s lack of ambition. Very rare to hear men express the same sentiment about their wives.

Finally, while there are a whole host of factors that go into the longer life expectancy and better health outcomes of women vs men, I believe one of those factors is the stress that men experience with work.

None of this is to suggest that men should work and women should stay home with the kids. People should structure their lives as they please without facing the judgment and scorn of others. I always thought that was a major point for feminism and female empowerment, but this thread suggests otherwise. [/quote]

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