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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The fact that people jump all over the unfairness of extra time, is really just more evidence for the effectiveness of prep.  The student who would have a perfect score with a little more time is exactly the student who could be coached to get a perfect score under actual test conditions.  (As long as they don't have a disability.)  Which is exactly why these tests have only limited meaning.[/quote]

You cannot actually fix stupid, nope.

You people need to take a practice test and see if you can get a perfect score after some practice or even with unlimited time.  Try it . Not a chance.[/quote]

If someone is getting wrong answers because they're confused by questions, it might be impossible to fix that.  But if someone understands every question given enough time and relaxed conditions, that's not stupid, and, yep they can improve their score.[/quote]

And, meant to say, I have recently taken a sample ACT, which is exactly why I came to this conclusion.  Yes, I missed things, and happily DC beat my score (which is my only goal) but neither of us found anything we didn't understand.  The material is quite easy, some questions are designed to catch careless reading--experience is key, and speed comes with practice.[/quote]

You took the whole hours long test under timed conditions and what was your score? And then you studied - and what was your score 
I think that you are completely trivializing these tests - they are not easy and the vast majority of people couldn’t get a score in the high 90th percentiles no matter how much they studied. [/quote]

And, I think you are glamorizing these tests and overplaying the intrinsic nature of a good score.  But don't take my word for it, just look at the downsized role they play in admissions to see that people with a lot more experience than me have reached this conclusion.  They can be used in tit-for-tat merit aid arrangements, so they have value, but there should be no surprise that some students with lower scores receive outsized recognition for other attributes.

But, yeah we took it under timed conditions (some longer breaks).  I haven't seen this test since '89, and DC hadn't seen it before, but has been studying SAT.  I was 95th percentile (bombed), and she was 99th.  I'm done, but she's now very motivated to keep practicing, and that was the goal.  In fairness, I think an adult is supposed to maintain or improve reading comprehension, and since I've never been a math-phobe, my basic math has been maintained, too.  Yes, we could be completely delusional, but we both saw a path to improvement (she'll know soon enough).  Anyway, I believe the multiple PP's stories of dramatically improving their DC's scores with $800 worth of tutoring.  Yes, there are people who are not capable of this, but there are plenty of people who just aren't aware of how much scores can be increased, and that is closely correlated to household income.
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